ejstubbs Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I have acquired a late 1970s Hornby Black 5 which isn't black - it's the one which for some reason they did in Crimson Lake, despite there being AFAIAA no record of one ever being sent out in that livery. While it's undoubtedly very handsome, I'm thinking about putting it back in to a more prototypical livery. I can get lining, lettering & numbering transfers from the HMRS, which is just as well because my shaky fingers would make an utter mess of trying to do those by hand. (Presumably it would be advisable to remove the existing lettering/lining before re-painting, to avoid it showing through the new paint job? I assume fine wet&dry would be OK for this.) I'm just wondering whether anyone has any recommendations or suggestions for a particular paint - or combination of paints, varnishes, whatever - that would look best. I'd be aiming for a prototypical as-new look to begin with, maybe attempting weathering as a later project. Bear in mind that I don't have an airbrush, and I don't currently expect/intend to get one - it seems a bit OTT in order to paint just one cheap, second-hand & not particularly finely detailed loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ROSSPOP Posted November 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2014 Depending on what kind of finish you aiming for. Brush painting I would trust Revell and Railmatch enamel products. I would avoid Humbrol as there production has had quality issues recently. Others will advise you on spray cans or acrylic paints, as I have no experience with the finish of these. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 If I was doing it, I'd use aerosol paint - black is widely available. I prefer Testors, but you can get other brands of black just about anywhere that sells paint. Use Testors Dullcote or Satin/Semi Gloss after you've put the transfers on. You do know the loco is 4mm short? I had a couple of these many years ago and recall tinkering with their appearance using stuff from Crownline. Mine never did run all that well. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Halfords Satin Black over their grey primer is what I use. Gloss varnish the areas where the transfers are to go by hand, and once applied and dry, spray with a varnish to suit the finish you require. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 You do know the loco is 4mm short? Hmm, so more of a Black 4.9 then? No, I didn't know that and TBH I doubt anyone is likely to point and laugh - especially since I'm likely to be the sole audience! This one does at least seem to run pretty well. Or I could leave this one in its party clothes (maybe sell it on) and save up more pennies to get a proper black one. Are all the Hornby Black 5s too short, or did they get it right in the later (2002 onwards) ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2014 Nip down to your local Games Workshop and buy a spray can of their Chaos Black. It has a satin finish. When you spray it should you be slightly heavy with the paint don't worry as it will shrink to the model. Too heavy with the paint and it will look as bad as any other sprayed model which has been done too heavyhanded. It will take transfers readily and if you buy a slection of their brush on browns and greys you can a a great time weathering it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Hmm, so more of a Black 4.9 then? No, I didn't know that and TBH I doubt anyone is likely to point and laugh - especially since I'm likely to be the sole audience! This one does at least seem to run pretty well. Or I could leave this one in its party clothes (maybe sell it on) and save up more pennies to get a proper black one. Are all the Hornby Black 5s too short, or did they get it right in the later (2002 onwards) ones? It isn't too noticeable I suppose and you would have to measure it to find out, it took me years to realize it. The only person that matters is you, so if you like it, there you are. My experience with tender drives is that they can be iffy, some are great, others... I have the later, post 2002, sound on board Black 5 (as built in the 50s by BR) and it is probably the best loco I have for looks and operation. I have a professionally built Black 5 and there isn't a lot in it. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 For me it is always Railmatch, and alway Dirty Black. Dries with a slightly grey tint, I never use plain black nowadays. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted November 15, 2014 Author Share Posted November 15, 2014 I have the later, post 2002, sound on board Black 5 (as built in the 50s by BR) Are all the post-2002 versions correct for the 50s rather than pre-war - even the ones in LMS livery? If that is the case then I can be a little happier since my aim is to evoke* the 1930s. * Rather than model to an punctilious level of accuracy (while meaning no disrespect whatsoever to those who enjoy that form of the hobby) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I haven't studied all the models available EJ so can't say if all the newer designs were BR builds, and they were different, albeit in small ways, from the LMS builds. Perhaps someone on here can shed light? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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