Karhedron Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) One other livery question related to this release . 5801 is listed as being in "unlined BR green with GWR lettering" . The more I think about this the more confused I become......I thought BR Green and GWR Green (of that period) were almost identical but in any event how could a loco be repainted in BR Green and then have GWR lettering applied............unless I suppose it is in preservation.....which wouldnt suit me.Suprisingly, this is pretty much correct. 5801 lasted in GWR livery to the late 50s out on the wilds of the Cambrian coast line. By this point it had been fitted with a BR smokebox plate so the description could be considered correct (if confusing). https://www.flickr.com/photos/abermaw/13383709623/ Edited November 25, 2014 by Karhedron 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGV Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Suprisingly, this is pretty much correct. 5801 lasted in GWR livery to the late 50s out on the wilds of the Cambrian coast line. By this point it had been fitted with a BR smokebox plate so the description could be considered correct (if confusing). https://www.flickr.com/photos/abermaw/13383709623/ Fantastic picture, thanks for posting. I think that this captures the essence of what makes these little tank engines so enchanting. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I do think the 14XX Class is one of Collett's finest creations in that it looks the part and performed well in the role it was required to play. In many ways it is a safe bet for Hattons/DJM in that with houses getting smaller the classic GWR branch line will continue to be modeled for the foreseeable future. The key will be in the design of the three axles and the pickup. Like others I am not sure about the choice of numbers and liveries (should my Airfix/Comet not work out) but there are lots of opportunities out there to re-number an engine to suit the era and location. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 As others have said, it is probably a typo, as the 14/58XX still with GWR livery in the 1950's would have been GWR green. There were a few of them about, the most well known being 1401 as in The Titfield Thunderbolt where the GWR has been obscured by three oily patches, by the film crew not BR, 1401 arrived on the branch for filming with GWR clearly visible. https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=740&q=titfield+thunderbolt&oq=titfield+thunderbolt&gs_l=img.3..0l5j0i24l5.1415.7523.0.7908.20.7.0.13.13.0.109.581.6j1.7.0....0...1ac.1.58.img..0.20.647.T-ytnbFi3k4#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=j3GpvWRZ_yS8sM%253A%3BIZgP6Psb4nI2GM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.alextrack.co.uk%252Flibrary%252Fimages%252Fmovies%252Fthe_titfield_thunderbolt%252Fphotographs_r_r_bowler%252Ftitfield_thunderbolt_r_r_bowler_451_3297_large.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.alextrack.co.uk%252Fmovies%252Fthe_titfield_thunderbolt%252Fphotographs_r_r_bowler.html%3B1024%3B638 Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted November 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2014 Speaking of The Titfield Thunderbolt, when is DJM announcing a new version of 'Lion' ? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Speaking of The Titfield Thunderbolt, when is DJM announcing a new version of 'Lion' ? Too late for me- made my own Mike Wiltshire Edited November 26, 2014 by Coach bogie 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I thought the loco in Titfield Thunderbolt was in wartime black with GWR insignia patched over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I thought the loco in Titfield Thunderbolt was in wartime black with GWR insignia patched over. Hi everyone, Thought you'd like this..... Taken at twilight with the camera leaning on top of a milk churn, with a long exposure Last train of the day out of Alresford during their GWR gala of a few weeks ago. Hope you like? Cheers Dave 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Hi Dave, Hattons, Brilliant work, well done! I thought that I would remain a mainly German outline modeller for ever but you have convinced me to return to UK steam era modelling. How's that for a "well done"!?! Cheers, John E. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Oh nuts, that's my business in selling detailing bits for airfix locos out the window! Actually rather glad there's something better on the way, 5801 for me please, exactly as pictured above! Then perhaps a few others too... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted November 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2014 Oh my, what a surprise...... Llantrisant locos to boot. What's more, no bl**dy topfeed.... Looks like the Cowbridge Branch/Common Branch Junction is a goer, at last. No Bl**dy topfeed..... Made my day. Well done Dave & Hattons, well done... Regards, Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted November 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2014 Well, after my last missive, off to the library.... There it is, 1471 in all it's glory, the last locomotive to run a passenger diagram on the Penygraig branch. Can we have an A9 autocoach to go with it? Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel newling Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Sods law isn't it! I want a 14xx in GWR plain green without top feed - (and, ideally, with a GLOS shed code). Still, mustn't grumble too much, things are definitely on the up. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted November 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2014 Sods law isn't it! I want a 14xx in GWR plain green without top feed - (and, ideally, with a GLOS shed code). Still, mustn't grumble too much, things are definitely on the up. :-) Was looking for a BR unlined black 14 without top feed to do 1419, a Fowey branch regular. I'll wait to see if there are any changes in the line-up before placing an order. Never satisfied are we! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Just a useful bit of info for any fans of unusual livery/branding combos. 1417 seems to have worn the same combination of lined black and "BRITISH RAILWAYS" branding as 5816. To make it even better, both had no top-feed. If you can sort out the auto-gear, it should be a straight renumbering job to get 1417. http://www.geoffspages.co.uk/monorail/kg01_htm_files/137.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarcher Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Hello Dave Just wondering, will the body be available separately, as a 'spare'? so it could go on a P4 High Level chassis? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hello Dave Just wondering, will the body be available separately, as a 'spare'? so it could go on a P4 High Level chassis? Hi mate, All parts should be available at the loco launch. However, more than likely they will be unpainted items. Cheers Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Why oh why are you doing the 14xx yet again, why not the more common 517 which had a longer life and lots of variations. True they did not run into BR, but they did run late in GWR. But with the various rebuilds it would be a best selling and long lasting model. You could even include the only GWR Named Tank Engine ' Fair Rosamund'. Loconuts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Why oh why are you doing the 14xx yet again, why not the more common 517 which had a longer life and lots of variations. True they did not run into BR, but they did run late in GWR. But with the various rebuilds it would be a best selling and long lasting model. You could even include the only GWR Named Tank Engine ' Fair Rosamund'. Loconuts I'm not 'doing a 14xx again', in fact I'm doing it for the first time. I certainly can't help the fact it's been made before either. However you seem to be under the impression that it's my model. I'm afraid I'm just the manufacturer. The commissioning company is one who has for a good many years traded model railway equipment very successfully, and I would venture to suggest know a darn sight more about what they think they can sell than either you or I. Please feel free to contact them directly with the same question and I look forward to you posting their reply here. Dave 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) This, along with the announcement of Bachmann's 64xx, is one of the few things that has made me question if selling my 00 BR (WR) BLT and moving up to 0 gauge was the right choice. I didn't even bother buying one of the Hornby autotanks for it, they look good for a model of their age but don't stand up too well against the Bachmann 45xx/ 4575 and 57xx in the appearance stakes- and fall down further when it comes to running (from previous experience!)- I bought another pannier instead. A couple of DJ/ Hattons ones would certainly have made an appearance though... Fortunately my decision to go 7mm was the right thing to do- the Hunslet Austerity is one of my favourite classes, I'm very much looking forward to the DJ Models one Edited December 8, 2014 by brianthesnail96 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hi mate, All parts should be available at the loco launch. However, more than lively they will be unpainted items. Cheers Dave No problem unpainted that's the way I prefer them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted December 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 8, 2014 Why oh why are you doing the 14xx yet again, why not the more common 517 which had a longer life and lots of variations. True they did not run into BR, but they did run late in GWR. But with the various rebuilds it would be a best selling and long lasting model. You could even include the only GWR Named Tank Engine ' Fair Rosamund'. Loconuts The current 14xx, from Hornby, is basically the Aifix model from 1978, and is therefore 36 years old. I think its about time we had a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 . True they did not run into BR, I think you've answered your own question there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted December 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2014 The current 14xx, from Hornby, is basically the Aifix model from 1978, and is therefore 36 years old. I think its about time we had a new one. Agreed. The Hornby/Airfix version is not even on the radar but I *will* be having a Hattons 14. I wish I could build one myself but I have neither the time nor the eyesight! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'm not 'doing a 14xx again', in fact I'm doing it for the first time. I certainly can't help the fact it's been made before either. However you seem to be under the impression that it's my model. I'm afraid I'm just the manufacturer. The commissioning company is one who has for a good many years traded model railway equipment very successfully, and I would venture to suggest know a darn sight more about what they think they can sell than either you or I. Please feel free to contact them directly with the same question and I look forward to you posting their reply here. Dave I know what their reply will be, whats a 517? the fact that the 14xx was just a modernised 517 people seem to over look it. It is funny that the Airfix model came out in 1978 as that was the year I was commissioned to build a 7mm scale 517 (Fair Rosamund in 1920's condition) for Mike Little, the present owner of 1450. Scratch built right down to the cab fittings. I was also commissioned by several customers to build the successful Malcolm Mitchell 7mm scale kit of the 517 when it appeared so that might answer your question on whether it will sell. To be honest small GWR Locos sell well, look at the Wills Small Metro and the various Pannier Tank kits that have been produced over the years. The Wills Small Metro sold like hot cakes when it first came out and you were lucky to get your hands on one. I know this is a commission for you on behalf of Hattons but the RTR trade just seem to be regenerating the same models, is that because they are preserved and can be scanned and less research needs to be done on the prototype? As for producing well selling models of locos that lasted into BR days, you have been commissioned to do the GWR Steam Railmotor, long gone before WWII but it will sell well as it is ideal for small branch lines, I have built 4 on commission in 7mm scale. Sorry for being controversial, but just wanted to point out there is a wealth of other locos waiting to be modelled out there. Loconuts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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