Black Sheep Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Looking to have a cobbled yard but not sure how to go about not wrecking my points by clogging them with das clay Any ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted December 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2014 Looking to have a cobbled yard but not sure how to go about not wrecking my points by clogging them with das clay Any ideas? Not in N but in OO-9. I started by sticking some thin styrene strips between the tracks just far enough from the rails for the flanges to run. Then fill the gap between the styrene with DAS. I started on plain track to "perfect" the technique, then moved on to the points. The trick was getting the gap right, which is done by operating the points before the styrene is glued down. I've got some "after" pictures, but no "during". Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 if you'd be kind enough to show the after pictures I'd appreciate it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kirk Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Hi, You don't have to clog up the moving parts of your points at all. In real life these had to be left clear and at my local harbour the area around the point blades was filled in with wooden planks. This in model form you can reproduce using scribed styrene sheet. You can "cobble" with DAS clay on styrene infil in the non moving bits. I think that you can see this on the point in the distance in the centre of the 1960s photograph. best wishes, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted December 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2014 if you'd be kind enough to show the after pictures I'd appreciate it That area is a bit buried at the moment, but I'll see what I can do over the next few days. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 no big rush, yet to build boards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Hopper Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 It might be worth looking at the articles by Brian Harrap in the recent MRJ and FRMR, who has developed excellent ways of making a variety of surfaces between the tracks. I have also seen people who use profiled 'card' to keep the flange-ways clear while using materials such as DAS. Don't be tempted to use a set of wheels as it will not leave enough space. Best wishes for this make or break job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted December 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2014 Hi, You don't have to clog up the moving parts of your points at all. In real life these had to be left clear and at my local harbour the area around the point blades was filled in with wooden planks. This in model form you can reproduce using scribed styrene sheet. You can "cobble" with DAS clay on styrene infil in the non moving bits. I think that you can see this on the point in the distance in the centre of the 1960s photograph. best wishes, Ian Ian, That's an interesting location - where is it? I reckon it has great modelling potential! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kirk Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Hi Colin, The photo is of Kirkcaldy Harbour. It was quite a compact harbour and would indeed make a good model. There was a thread here on "Prototype Questions" some time ago which includes a lot more detail and photographs. It was at the bottom of a 1 in 20 (in part) gradient that was cable worked when first built but loco worked in the 20th cent. The loco was only supposed to take a few wagons at a time. Two runaways ended up with the loco in the sea. One in NBR times the last in the mid 1950s. best wishes, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted December 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 30, 2014 Hi Colin, The photo is of Kirkcaldy Harbour. It was quite a compact harbour and would indeed make a good model. There was a thread here on "Prototype Questions" some time ago which includes a lot more detail and photographs. It was at the bottom of a 1 in 20 (in part) gradient that was cable worked when first built but loco worked in the 20th cent. The loco was only supposed to take a few wagons at a time. Two runaways ended up with the loco in the sea. One in NBR times the last in the mid 1950s. best wishes, Ian Ian, Thanks for the info - I just took a look at the location on Google Earth, it's surprising how much of the quayside track seems to have survived. Just out of casual interest, do you know when the harbour lines were last used? Cheers Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kirk Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Hi Colin, The official closing date was 1984 but most of the harbour bits had not been used for a while by then. The branch had continued to be used by Huchisons flour mill / maltings grain traffic. Somewhere I have a video of the last run down the branch by a class 20. Apologies to black sheep for having hijacked his points thread. best wishes, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 no worries, makes it easier to find for when I get round to doing the job! never sure with DAS if it's best to scribe straight away or after it's dried... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted December 31, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2014 I have yet to use DAS, but logic tells me to wait until it has dried, so as to avoid dragging it into unwanted shapes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think Rue D'etropal has done these via Shapeways for N and OO-9 - I'll have a dig EDIT - copied across from the Model Trains Interactive forum I have just designed both 9mm gauge and mixed gauge range of track panels to create tram track or inset track. To match existing panels, rail has to be code 100, but don't think that is a problem. Ideal for OO9 Its only on view at my Shapeways website http://www.shapeways.com/shops/recreation21?section=OO9+small+stone+track&s=0 I need to test some samples , but if they work then I intend to have both a larger stone version (G9?) an a plain version . I then want to look at a 12mm gauge version, and probably a triple gauge version. There is also a dual gauge version with 16,5mm and 32mm gauges. Prices are similar to those for existing 16.5mm gauge panels. _________________ Simon Dawson Will try anything once, looking for the ultimate easy to set up portable exhibition layout, preferably French narrow gauge and with lots going on, not necesarily on the rails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme3300 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 It might be worth looking at the articles by Brian Harrap in the recent MRJ and FRMR, who has developed excellent ways of making a variety of surfaces between the tracks. I have also seen people who use profiled 'card' to keep the flange-ways clear while using materials such as DAS. Don't be tempted to use a set of wheels as it will not leave enough space. Best wishes for this make or break job. Just look in the RMWeb 'Overseas Modelling' section for 'QUAI 87' for many mind-blowing pages of Brian's modelling abilities - a constant source of inspiration! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/38591-quai87/ Graeme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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