RMweb Gold Regularity Posted September 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2021 9 hours ago, aardvark said: On 03/09/2021 at 11:50, St Enodoc said: I laid 709 points I knew your layout was big, but I didn't know it was that big. Not just laid, but built… 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post St Enodoc Posted September 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2021 46 minutes ago, Regularity said: Not just laid, but built… 119 needed for the whole layout (I think - might be a couple fewer, depending on how many carriage sidings I can actually fit in at Pentowan), 98 built, 93 laid... 5 2 4 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) On 28/08/2021 at 08:55, St Enodoc said: Here's the whole formation in context. I ran the long china-clay train in and out a couple of times without problems, so tomorrow I plan to carry on with 707 and 708 points and 7 and 8 roads. That is starting to look super impressive. I suspect its the foreshortening effect of the lens you've used but the LH curve away from the nearest triangle point looks a tad severe. I trust your workmanship that its not, so blame the camera-not-lying principle. Seeing you beavering away with track-laying makes me thirst for getting the first track laid on my rebuild. What foam trackbed do you use? Previously I laid track direct on the 9mm ply boards and did not notice any problems with noise, so just wondering what's the plus and minus deal with soft trackbed. I apologise for raising again a subject that John Ahern and Cyril Freezer discussed 80 years ago but its still a subject that I haven't fully settled in my own head either way. Edited September 4, 2021 by Martin S-C 1 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Martin S-C said: I suspect its the foreshortening effect of the lens you've used but the LH curve away from the nearest triangle point looks a tad severe. Martin, it will be 30", the same as the rest of the Branch. I suspect that the effect you can see is because the ends of the rails, beyond the furthermost timbers, are not curved yet. When I lay the track on the left, Tracksettas will get everything in the right place. 5 hours ago, Martin S-C said: What foam trackbed do you use? DCC Concepts. Nothing to do with noise, just to get the track raised above the surrounding formation for visual reasons. In yards and under complex pointwork I use 3mm cork (or 2mm with Peco track in the storage areas, as mentioned previously) but the DCC Concepts foam, being cut to width and already chamfered, is quicker and easier for plain track. 1 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post St Enodoc Posted September 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) It was a fine and sunny Friday morning day in Mid-Cornwall, so W C Wolseley was out and about with his camera. His first stop was near the west portal of Tremewan Tunnel. As we have seen before, there is a fine view here of trains crossing Nancegwithey viaduct. The first photo of the day was of 3862 on the 0655 Truro - Tavistock Junction class H freight... ...closely followed up the main line by 6305 on the 0540 Penzance - Tavistock Junction class H freight. Next he captured the 1000 Penzance - Paddington, the Cornish Riviera, hauled by D601 Ark Royal. A short drive to St Enodoc found two Up china-clay workings waiting for the road. On the left, 1664 is on the Wheal Veronica trip to St Blazey, while 4206 is heading for the docks at Tregissey. A quick dash to Porthmellyn Road was just in time to catch 4206 running on to the main line with 6305 behind it on the 1110 Tavistock Junction - Penzance class F freight, which has been put inside on the Down Goods Loop to allow the 2240 Paddington - Penzance parcels and milk to pass. After an enjoyable session it was time for a late lunch at the Cornish Arms (actually, it was time for me to come indoors to watch the rugby). Edited June 29, 2022 by St Enodoc images restored 30 4 8 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2021 Delightful. Just one of those shots would have been satisfying, this is a sweet shop. The Cornish Riveriera looks good, but the goods trains steal the show. Interesting to compare the two China clay workings. Shows what loco weathering can do. 6 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Mikkel said: Delightful. Just one of those shots would have been satisfying, this is a sweet shop. The Cornish Riveriera looks good, but the goods trains steal the show. Interesting to compare the two China clay workings. Shows what loco weathering can do. Thanks Mikkel. 1664 was weathered by the late Paul Fletcher, almost exactly 40 years ago at the 1981 Leeds show. 4206 isn't weathered at all - yet! The china-clay wagons were weathered, also many years ago, by @Barry O of this parish. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2021 Just how long have you been planning this layout ? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Stubby47 said: Just how long have you been planning this layout ? Since before 1977 as thats when I weathered the wagons... Baz 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Stubby47 said: Just how long have you been planning this layout ? 50 years, I suppose. The first layout that was inspired by Newquay was the last we had in London before we moved to Edinburgh. The baseboards were funded by a smallish pools win that Dad had in early 1971. The first Pentowan layout was started in about 1972, after the move. It's been a more-or-less continuous development since then. There's no rush... Edited September 5, 2021 by St Enodoc 18 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2021 It's nice to think that what is clearly becoming a remarkable layout owes a lot to a 1971 win at the pools. And your dad, not least. 5 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2021 That must have been more of a win than my Dad's biggest - he did the pools all his life and his best win was 10/6 (shillings and pence for younger readers). 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2021 26 minutes ago, Michael Edge said: That must have been more of a win than my Dad's biggest - he did the pools all his life and his best win was 10/6 (shillings and pence for younger readers). It was a few hundred quid as I recall - which was good money in those days. As well as the baseboards, it paid for gas central heating too. 16 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post The Stationmaster Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2021 4 hours ago, St Enodoc said: It was a fine and sunny Friday morning day in Mid-Cornwall, so W C Wolseley was out and about with his camera. His first stop was near the west portal of Tremewan Tunnel. As we have seen before, there is a fine view here of trains crossing Nancegwithey viaduct. The first photo of the day was of 3862 on the 0655 Truro - Tavistock Junction class H freight... ...closely followed up the main line by 6305 on the 0540 Penzance - Tavistock Junction class H freight. Next he captured the 1000 Penzance - Paddington, the Cornish Riviera, hauled by D601 Ark Royal. A short drive to St Enodoc found two Up china-clay workings waiting for the road. On the left, 1664 is on the Wheal Veronica trip to St Blazey, while 4206 is heading for the docks at Tregissey. A quick dash to Porthmellyn Road was just in time to catch 4206 running on to the main line with 6305 behind it on the 1110 Tavistock Junction - Penzance class F freight, which has been put inside on the Down Goods Loop to allow the 2240 Paddington - Penzance parcels and milk to pass. After an enjoyable session it was time for a late lunch at the Cornish Arms (actually, it was time for me to come indoors to watch the rugby). If anybody ever asks for a definition of 'a model railway' this comes at the top of my British outline list for one very simple reason. Trains come from somewhere and go to somewhere else and, very importantly, that includes logically spaced intermediate locations all within the one railway room. In other words it is a model of a railway which works like a real railway rather than a model of a place (of which a number of superb examples can be seen on RMweb). It is I suppose in some respects a translation of the US idea of a railway connecting different visible places into a carefully crafted idea for a British setting. Brilliant idea cleverly executed. 5 13 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 5, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: If anybody ever asks for a definition of 'a model railway' this comes at the top of my British outline list for one very simple reason. Trains come from somewhere and go to somewhere else and, very importantly, that includes logically spaced intermediate locations all within the one railway room. In other words it is a model of a railway which works like a real railway rather than a model of a place (of which a number of superb examples can be seen on RMweb). It is I suppose in some respects a translation of the US idea of a railway connecting different visible places into a carefully crafted idea for a British setting. Brilliant idea cleverly executed. Thanks Mike, I appreciate that very much. Yes, it is intended to be a "system layout" as found widely in the USA but also here in Australia, for example Marcus Ammann's NSWGR Main North layout: http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/nswmn/ and the NYC in 0 gauge, which has developed considerably since these photos were taken: https://www.nmra.org.au/Layout_Tours/Howarth NYC/index.html There are others, of course, and one such here on RMweb that I think will be one of the best is @LNER4479 Graham's "Hills of the North": 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2021 Having something of an interest in the NSWGR (and spending a little while working for one of its successors) thanks for the link to the Main North layout a very interesting area although I only saw it in its early 21st century state (but have plenty of videos of the steam age, helped by a brief personal acquaintance while I was in Aus, below). Now back to Cornish WR 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Having something of an interest in the NSWGR (and spending a little while working for one of its successors) thanks for the link to the Main North layout a very interesting area although I only saw it in its early 21st century state (but have plenty of videos of the steam age, helped by a brief personal acquaintance while I was in Aus, below). Now back to Cornish WR I'm sure I have commented elsewhere that the loco most reminds me of a New Haven I5, one of my favourite US streamlined steam locos. Not quite sure about the colour but the shape is very pleasing. Edited September 6, 2021 by Oldddudders 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post St Enodoc Posted September 6, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) Following the weekend's work it was time to update the layout project plan, which I did tonight. I marked in the five roads at the Porthmellyn Road end of Polperran, at the top of the plan as drawn, and tidied up some of the other construction lines, radius lines and so on. I also marked, faintly, the track centres at the Pentowan end of Polperran and the extension of the single line round towards Pentowan itself. That's all the heavy construction for a while. Apart from a few things to finish off, such as painting the track on the single line; ballasting the Wheal Veronica line and the single line as far as Indian Queens Halt; building the dummy trap points at each end of Treloggan Junction Loop; and fitting fouling point markers at Polperran, I think I will change course and make a start on St Enodoc lever frame next. Edited June 29, 2022 by St Enodoc images restored 25 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 6, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: I'm sure I have commented elsewhere that the loco most reminds me of a New Haven I5, one of my favourite US streamlined steam locos. Not quite sure about the colour but the shape is very pleasing. 3801 has carried a few liveries over the years, including the original plain grey nicknamed Grey Nurse after a breed of shark. Following its recent restoration it has been painted in what I think is a slightly deeper and richer green than before. https://www.thnsw.com.au/3801 http://www.australiansteam.com/3801.htm 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2021 I much prefer the current darker green - but then many Southern Railway enthusiasts prefer olive to malachite, so I would! 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted September 6, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Oldddudders said: I much prefer the current darker green - but then many Southern Railway enthusiasts prefer olive to malachite, so I would! I like it too. It's much closer to what might be described as a deep chrome, or Brunswick, green... 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted September 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2021 The "speed" stripes add to the new livery. Loco looks magnificent! Baz 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post St Enodoc Posted September 10, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) After he'd finished his lunch, our friend WC made his way to the road bridge near Wheal Veronica china-clay kiln, where a train was just arriving. He arrived just in time to see 1664 propelling the train up from St Enodoc to leave a brake van in the empty No 2 siding. Next, the loco shunted the empties to No 1 siding and picked up the fulls... ...shunting them to No 2 siding, after which the empties were placed in No 1 siding next to the kiln. Back at St Enodoc, WC found the train in the Loop waiting for the road to Porthmellyn Junction. To finish his day out, and his roll of film, WC drove back to Porthmellyn Road where 6800 Arlington Grange was waiting in platform 2 with the 1540 Penzance - Paddington parcels. He also took a photo of the leading van, an ancient 12-wheeled M15 newspaper van, which probably hasn't much longer to go before withdrawal. After he'd gone, I carried on running trains until I got to train 509, the 2210 (Friday) Paddington - Penzance TPO. When this arrived at Penzance, I found that it was supposed to go into road 3, which was (unfortunately) already occupied. This time, I managed to stop without a collision but I'm a bit mystified, as I thought I'd sorted this out after the last time I had this problem: I'll have another look at the sequence and try and fix it properly. Anyway, apart from that the session went quite well, except... ... that the intermittent "freezing" of the DCC system came back, three times. After I switched everything off for about 15 minutes all was well but I really need to find out somehow what's going wrong. Overall an enjoyable, but slightly frustrating, afternoon. Edited June 29, 2022 by St Enodoc images restored 12 1 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: To finish his day out, and his roll of film, WC drove back to Porthmellyn Road where 6800 Arlington Grange was waiting in platform 2 with the 1540 Penzance - Paddington parcels. He also took a photo of the leading van, an ancient 12-wheeled M15 newspaper van, which probably hasn't much longer to go before withdrawal. A magnificent looking vehicle and a nice sequence of photos! 1 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted September 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 05/09/2021 at 11:26, The Stationmaster said: If anybody ever asks for a definition of 'a model railway' this comes at the top of my British outline list for one very simple reason. Trains come from somewhere and go to somewhere else and, very importantly, that includes logically spaced intermediate locations all within the one railway room. In other words it is a model of a railway which works like a real railway rather than a model of a place (of which a number of superb examples can be seen on RMweb). It is I suppose in some respects a translation of the US idea of a railway connecting different visible places into a carefully crafted idea for a British setting. Brilliant idea cleverly executed. Well said that man! This would be my sort of dream layout although I don't have the drive, ambition, space or resources to ever create anything like it. In some respects, it is rather like Buckingham on a rather grander scale, with more places for trains to come from and go to. The are many things that "make" a good layout. Different people have different priorities. To me, the notion of whether I would enjoy operating it for long periods without getting bored is pretty high up the list and the Mid Cornwall lines certainly ticks that box. My only problem with it is that it is on the other side of the planet, otherwise my pestering to be allowed to come and "play trains" would be never ending! 12 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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