North British Railway 6 Wheel Coaches.

[ChrisN]

That would be helpful Chris.   I think it will work out as when I was drawing the droplights I started with  the door which included the slots for the hinges.  Having built the test etch (which I forgot to put the droplights on, I realised that the solder around the hinges will make it difficult to position the droplights precisely.  The lower hinge, which is longer due to the tumblehome, will still need to be soldered separately.

 

I've been working on the drawings tonight and have had some helpful and constructive criticism from Ian Terrell.  I hadn't realised how the flitch plates that cover the solebars look so have ben redrawing the solebar overlays tonight. 

 

Jamie

 

Jamie,

I will try and do it in the next day or so.  The Shire Scenes ones go down to the tumblehome and needs to be bent a little. 

Edited June 17, 2015 by ChrisN

[ChrisN]

Jamie,

I hope these pictures are useful.

 

Droplights showing the extension down for the bottom hinge on a primed Holden 4 wheeler.

 

 

Same on a brass GWR Brake.

 

 

Close up of the outside showing the hinges poking through, and possibly of the inside as well.

 

 

Three droplights straight from the fret before the hinges have been bent into position.

 

 

If you need anything else please let me know.  You may not be able to see but there are open droplights which have the side bar extended both down to the lower hinge and up to the upper one.

[jamie92208]

Jamie,

I hope these pictures are useful.

 

Droplights showing the extension down for the bottom hinge on a primed Holden 4 wheeler.

 

Hinges 1.jpg

 

Same on a brass GWR Brake.

 

Hinges 2.jpg

 

Close up of the outside showing the hinges poking through, and possibly of the inside as well.

 

Hinges 3.jpg

 

Three droplights straight from the fret before the hinges have been bent into position.

 

Hinges 4.jpg

 

If you need anything else please let me know.  You may not be able to see but there are open droplights which have the side bar extended both down to the lower hinge and up to the upper one.

Thanks very much for that Chris. I've just finished drawing the new droplights for the brake 3rd. Due to the space taken by the duckets there isn't room on the etch for 12 full length droplights. I will however try and do it for the other 3 coaches where there is the spare space on the etch. However I am obviously thinking along the same lines.

 

Thanks again.

 

Jamie

[Rob Pulham]

 but there doesn't seem to be any interest in the prison van that fits the same underframe.  I'm quite pleased about that as I'm not sure how to etch the ventilation louvres.

 

You didn't mention a prison van........ I have just googled it and it looks like it might not have made it to the LNER (or at least they don't seem to have allocated a diagram to it according to the NBR study group).

[ChrisN]

You didn't mention a prison van........ I have just googled it and it looks like it might not have made it to the LNER (or at least they don't seem to have allocated a diagram to it according to the NBR study group).

 

Penlan said on my thread that he had a bullion van on his layout because it was nice to have something that no one else had.  It crossed my mind that an NBR prison van collecting Alistair Gunn the famous Aberdonian safe cracker, but I decided that if it was that difficult and you were only selling one he would have to travel third class with an escort. 

[jamie92208]

Despite being plied with much alcohol by our French hosts and their neighbours, there has been more progress. Today I finished making all the alterations to the Brake Third. I've added the upper door hinges to the droplights and also slightly widened the lower step supports which were very fragile. Some slight alterations were made to the inner box and also some minor adjustments to the lower edge of the guards ducket.

 

After that I've amended the instructions to incorporate the lessons learned from the two test builds.

 

Jamie

[Shez]

Good to hear that you are making progress Jamie. Nothing happening here yet due to work stuff. Been making the big move to the new premises at college this week, and then off on the DOE Award expedition next week.

 

Looking at the original test build I think that widening the step supports is a good idea. Being exact to scale is one thing, but the practicalities of producing a model that will stand up to the wear and tear of handling is an important consideration. After all, we model a world where it is company policy to stick large electric motors in steam locos, and araldite long serving loco crew to footplates! 

 

I am also jealous of the hospitality of your host - a tooth abscess and antibiotics, as well as a lack of model making opportunity has made it a fairly miserable week!

 

Mark

[jamie92208]

Good to hear that you are making progress Jamie. Nothing happening here yet due to work stuff. Been making the big move to the new premises at college this week, and then off on the DOE Award expedition next week.

 

Looking at the original test build I think that widening the step supports is a good idea. Being exact to scale is one thing, but the practicalities of producing a model that will stand up to the wear and tear of handling is an important consideration. After all, we model a world where it is company policy to stick large electric motors in steam locos, and araldite long serving loco crew to footplates! 

 

I am also jealous of the hospitality of your host - a tooth abscess and antibiotics, as well as a lack of model making opportunity has made it a fairly miserable week!

 

Mark

Thanks for that Mark.   Things are till progressing well on the holiday front though my liver is taking a battering.  This morning it was brandy with the 10.30am coffee at our hostesses mum and dads.  Tomorrow we disappear into an internet free zone at the gite for a fortnight and hopefully I will get some more drawings done whilst the other half sunbathes.  I still need to add the base for the gas control valve to the ends and then I I can do the production drawings for the other three types of coach.   If I have the time after that then I start on the bogie coach sides which should be fun.    

 

All the best Mark

 

Jamie

[PeterR]

Hi,

 

Can I ask please that you really need on the etch a couple of outside W Irons - the NBT were virtually unique in having them on the centre axles of both coaches and the Fish/fruit vans and theay are very rare; thus the suggestion that they should be there - one pair per coach being needed.

 

Yours Peter.

[Shez]

I said that progress would be slow, but this afternoon I was able to get a bit of building done for the first time in about three weeks. ( A combination of work, illness and family). I have now completed the side of the break third which Jamie had started, adding the hinges, droplights and the lower paneling.

 

First I fitted the hinges, which is perhaps the most time consuming job. The lower paneling was an a very good fit all round and was secured by soldering through from the back as we did on the First. This part of the construction went very well. This time I had the droplights which were accidentally omitted from the first test etch. These were soldered in place, using the hinges as locators. However, I did had have to file the notches in the droplights quite a bit to make sure they were centered. As they are, they are too far over to the right of the window. This might be something for Jamie to check, especially if he is to incorporate the hinge onto the droplight in the next version.

 

 3rd class coach.docx

 

  

 

I won't be able to work on it for for the next couple of weeks so any (bad weather) model making will be restricted to card or plastic! (another building for Jamie's giant train set!)

 

I reply to Peter's last post, the W irons for the centre axle are on the etch - and always were -  if you check back to the pictures of the First you will see them.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Shez

[Shez]

I said that progress would be slow, but this afternoon I was able to get a bit of building done for the first time in about three weeks. ( A combination of work, illness and family). I have now completed the side of the break third which Jamie had started, adding the hinges, droplights and the lower paneling.

 

First I fitted the hinges, which is perhaps the most time consuming job. The lower paneling was an a very good fit all round and was secured by soldering through from the back as we did on the First. This part of the construction went very well. This time I had the droplights which were accidentally omitted from the first test etch. These were soldered in place, using the hinges as locators. However, I did had have to file the notches in the droplights quite a bit to make sure they were centered. As they are, they are too far over to the right of the window. This might be something for Jamie to check, especially if he is to incorporate the hinge onto the droplight in the next version.

 

 3rd class coach.docx

 

  

 

I won't be able to work on it for for the next couple of weeks so any (bad weather) model making will be restricted to card or plastic! (another building for Jamie's giant train set!)

 

I reply to Peter's last post, the W irons for the centre axle are on the etch - and always were -  if you check back to the pictures of the First you will see them.

 

I couldn't work out how to get the picture into the text - I could upload the file - but it wouldn't copy it.

 

Help please!

 

Mark

[jamie92208]

Good morning everyone from France the morning after the 14th July. I'm just about sober enough to drive a keyboard and am catching up now that we are somewhere with internet.

 

Over the last two weeks I have made quite a bit of progress. All four types of coach now have production drawings done though there are a couple of tweeks that need to be sorted when I get back to the UK. I discovered after much studying of drawings and photos that the doors on the brake compartment for the brake third are actually symmetrical on either side so the two sides are the same.

 

I've also altered the droplights so that all three hinges are included n the droplights for the 1st, 3rd and saloon. Due to space constraints on the etch I can't do the same for the brake 3rd but have got the upper pair of hinges on the droplights and just the lower one that needs to be added from the main etch which will make construction less fiddly.

 

There are 6 W irons included on each etch, all of which have half etched holes for rivets but only two of them need punching out to go on the centre axle.

 

Jamie

[PeterR]

Hi Shez

 

adding photos

 

Don't use the quick reply - goto the box on the right hand side reply with attachments; the add the photos, via 'attach files' on the lower edge on the text box on the right

 

 

and then move it with the cursor to the required location for the photo -  as above - that is a couple of crates with the right hand one supposedly containing an (early) aeroplane, on scratch built NBR wagons.

 

That sequence can be dome a number of times

 

Yours Peter.

 

[Shez]

Hi Shez

 

adding photos

 

Don't use the quick reply - goto the box on the right hand side reply with attachments; the add the photos, via 'attach files' on the lower edge on the text box on the right

 

 

and then move it with the cursor to the required location for the photo -  as above - that is a couple of crates with the right hand one supposedly containing an (early) aeroplane, on scratch built NBR wagons.

 

That sequence can be dome a number of times

 

Yours Peter.

 

 

Thanks for the help Peter.

 

I will give this a try when I have got the next part of the build complete.

 

I love the two NBR wagons!

[jamie92208]

I've now finished the production drawings for the four types of coach and to get them etched in time for Telford need to start the process of getting them produced. As a result I need to send the artwork off within the next week.

 

If anyone wants to order any more coaches before Telford can you please let me know before Sunday evening 2nd August.

 

Jamie

[Blue Max]

Jamie,

 

Do you still have any plans to release these coaches in 4mm scale?

 

SteveT

[jamie92208]

Jamie,

 

Do you still have any plans to release these coaches in 4mm scale?

 

SteveT

Hi Steve

 

Mark and I have decided not to go head to head against Ian as the market is only a limited one and no one is tryng to make a living from it but we hope to cooperate in the production of some fittings. I realise that this may cause some frustration but hope that people will understand.

 

Jamie

Edited July 29, 2015 by jamie92208

[jamie92208]

Morning all from the village.  Though I have been rather busy with Green Ayre for the last week or two things are still progressing.

 

despite problems with CAD caused by Windows 10 I have completed all four drawings after some input from Ian Terrell to sort out the doors on the brake 3rd.  These went off to Photodata and the tools then went to Grainge and Hodder at the end of last week.   I have had a couple of conversations with Richard there and despite impending holidays thing are on track and I have been promised delivery in time for Telford.

 

Pete Mullen of 62C models is also co-operating and has had a test cast done of some gas lamps for the carriage roofs.   These have been produced using 3D printed masters that Ian Terrell had produced in s scales, 4mm, S scale and 7mm.  Pete is very happy with the lamps and is hoping to add the other castings that are needed such as axleboxes, gas controllers etc onto one generic sprue that will work with any of the four coaches.  This sprue will be available from his 62C models.

 

The wooden roofs should be ready by now and I plan to pick them up next week.

 

Jamie

[jamie92208]

Grainge and Hodder have done great.  20Kg of parcels arrived today with 48 sets of etches for the various orders that have been placed.  Hopefully the roofs will be ready early next week then everything will be ready for Telford.   I never realised how heavy all those sheets of etches would be.

 

Jamie

Edited August 31, 2015 by jamie92208

[jamie92208]

Morning all from a slightly damp village.  I've checked through the etches and have discovered that I made a stupid proof reading mistake and thus the first class etches have not got done.  We do now possess 11 substandard extra brake 3rd etches.  The artwork for the firsts is done and will be sent off again tomorrow so hopefully they will be available in about 3 weeks.   All the etches will be taken to Telford and the extra Brake 3rds will be available at a bargain price.  They were the last version before the final tweaks for the production version but will still make up into decent coaches or could be used for scratchbuilding projects.  The duckets could be cut out to produce 4 wheel 3rds. 

 

Jamie

[jamie92208]

The artwork for the 1st's has now been sent off and is being processed. I've double checked it's the correct set this time.

 

This afternoon I picked up the wooden roof mouldings from my friendly undertaker who does the machining. They look very good so will be at Telford along with the etches.

 

Jamie

[Shez]

It was great to meet everyone on the Scottish Societies Stand yesterday at Telford. What a friendly, helpful group of people. Loved seeing Ian's 4mm stuff - I was almost tempted to change scale for about ten minutes! Its great to see what can be achieved with some sharing and cooperation. I now just need a bit of time to get the coaches built but the implications of the start of the new term keep getting in the way!

[Shez]

 

I got an unexpected chance to do some work on the Brake 3rd this weekend. I completed the second of the two sides,and prepared the ends. Finally I soldered the whole lot together to complete the body shell, and its made a very solid job. The edges went together much easier than on the original First, and only a small amount of filling will be needed. I used 179 solder for attaching the overlays, this flows very easily and is perfect for the job as you don't have to use too much. 

 

 

 

I am grateful that on Jamie's redesign the door hinges are already on the drop lights and I wont have to solder them individually. 

Edited September 20, 2015 by Shez

[jamie92208]

That's looking good Mark and I'm glad to hear that the corrections that I made have nearly done the trick.  That etch was the 2nd test etch and the production etch should be better with several small tweaks.  

 

As mentioned above due to a mistake on my part we have ended up with some spare copies of the etch that Mark is building for the brake 3rd.  These would make ideal scratchbuilding aids or would build into a 'generic' 6 wheeler for a light or minor railway.  they are available from me at £25 plus delivery costs if anyone is interested.

 

The etches for the first class coaches are now in production and hopefully will be available in the next few days.

 

Jamie

[jamie92208]

Afternoon all.   The proper etches for the First Class coaches have arrived and look good.  I will hope to get them posted off today or tomorrow.

 

Jamie