New Siding at Helwith Bridge

[beast66606]

Thanks to Freightmaster - http://freightmaster.net/

 

First train is booked for next Tuesday

 

06:47 and 13:48 at Settle Jn - not sure which paths will be used.

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/SETTLEJ/2016/01/26/0600-2000?stp=WVS&show=freight&order=wtt

 

 

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[jamie92208]

Thanks for that Beast.  I've just done a search on RTT for the return working which is

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H61866/2016/01/26/advanced

 

That's the loaded return and has to go up to Blea Moor to run round.  At 2000tons it's going to be a fine sound heading up from Arcow to Blea Moor.

 

Also it looks as if they've booked paths from 3 or 4 possible originating points and 3 paths to the same terminals to off load so it looks as if they're not sure which terminal is going to take the stone.

 

Jamie

[TheSignalEngineer]

Stone trains do tend to be a moveable feast. The WTT will often have three paths booked by different companies leaving a quarry at almost the same time and going to five different depots at the other end. What actually runs just depends on which FOC has the contract and which terminal has capacity to unload the train.

[jamie92208]

Stone trains do tend to be a moveable feast. The WTT will often have three paths booked by different companies leaving a quarry at almost the same time and going to five different depots at the other end. What actually runs just depends on which FOC has the contract and which terminal has capacity to unload the train.

I thought it might be something like that.  The three depots are Hunslet, Bredbury and Pendleton.

 

Jamie

[Powerhaul 70 Pey]

Nice to see new freight flows starting soon. Looks like two out of three of those are destined for greater Manchester. Both are tarmac sites at bredbury and agecroft by the looks of it.

[Reorte]

Stone trains do tend to be a moveable feast. The WTT will often have three paths booked by different companies leaving a quarry at almost the same time and going to five different depots at the other end. What actually runs just depends on which FOC has the contract and which terminal has capacity to unload the train.

Does that mean that there are three close together but still far enough apart so in theory they could all run, or that in the event only one of them is possible but there's the flexibility for which is needed at the time?

[beast66606]

Does that mean that there are three close together but still far enough apart so in theory they could all run, or that in the event only one of them is possible but there's the flexibility for which is needed at the time?

 

Only one path will run but there are several in the system to cover the different terminals.

[Reorte]

Only one path will run but there are several in the system to cover the different terminals.

But are they are still three entirely separate paths, or is it one path (from Helwith Bridge until wherever they would diverge)? I'm not suggesting that more than one ever would run, just wondering how it's arranged with regard to line capacity and path availability.

[jamie92208]

Looking at the times in both directions there are four paths inbound, 3 from terminals and one from stabling sidings north of Wakefield. All use the same path north from Hellifield. In the return direction they are all the same southbound to Hellifield. They are marked in the Working Timetable as 'Q'paths which I believe denotes that the train runs if required. It looks as if they reserve all the paths so that on the day when there is a set of wagons and a loco available they can deliver stone where it's needed.

 

Jamie

[beast66606]

Some of the paths have been cancelled for tomorrow.

 

I'll try and check in the morning and see if there is anything allox.

[beast66606]

66710 in charge of the first train today

Just passed Hellifield - 0725

 

 66710  GBCM  FRYHLTCGB   156M69C426   4 *  ARCOWQYGB

[ColinK]

Great to see new freight on the S&C. I'll have to get out and video it.

 

For those interested in the line, below is a link to a 15 minute video I've made on the S&C in 2015. It includes the logs, cement, a stone train (IIRC loaded at Ribblehead) and kettles.

 

[slg]

It's just crazy how far they send these freight trains away from where their going, all the way into Yorkshire before back to Manchester.

[Fat Controller]

It's just crazy how far they send these freight trains away from where their going, all the way into Yorkshire before back to Manchester.

To get to Bredbury without going into Yorkshire would involve a reversal at Romiley and another at Woodley Jct.

Pendleton would involve a reversal at Blackburn.

[slg]

To get to Bredbury without going into Yorkshire would involve a reversal at Romiley and another at Woodley Jct.

Pendleton would involve a reversal at Blackburn.

 

Depending on restrictions, mainly weight allowed on routes Pendleton could go Hellifield - Blackburn - Bolton (via Darwen) then Reverse at Victoria

Bredbury could follow same route and go either through victoria or piccadilly 

 

If the Darwen line is weight restricted then they could go to Farington Junction then via Chorley

 

Plus how do the trains enter and exit the terminal, looking at track layouts there is no runround loop in the terminal its self but there is one across the way at the refuse terminal.

[jamie92208]

Another train ran this morning from Bredbury then via Diggle, Healey Mills and Leeds and got to the quarry at 07.15. The southbound working is not yet confirmed, just the three Q paths which are all the same until the train gets to Hellifield. It leaes the quarry at 12.12, revereses at Blea Moor then gets to Hellifield at 13.54.

 

Looking out of the window and listening to the lovely Carol Kirkwood, it's not a good day to head up to the dales to try and photograph it.

 

Jamie

[TheSignalEngineer]

It's just crazy how far they send these freight trains away from where their going, all the way into Yorkshire before back to Manchester.

Well, the quarry is in Yorkshire isn't it?

[jamie92208]

The stone is obviously reluctant to leave it's home county. The path for the loaded working has now been activated.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H61867/2016/02/17/advanced,

 

It's going to Pendleton via Leeds, Healey Mills and Diggle.

 

Jamie

[newbryford]

The Arcow-various locations have been running well for many months now. There are quite a few conditional paths in the system (it runs to wherever is required on the day) and there's often two trains per day from Arcow, but I can never find any of the inward workings.

 

This is for tomorrow:

 

The first I know is when one rumbles northwards past the office, by which time it's too late to see it.

 

Cheers,

Mick

[4630]

The inward working tomorrow (6M16) operating to a short term plan to the working timetable is from Pendleton;

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R01861/2016/12/08/advanced

 

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/ARCQGBF/2016/12/08/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=non-passenger&order=wtt

[newbryford]

The inward working tomorrow (6M16) operating to a short term plan to the working timetable is from Pendleton;

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R01861/2016/12/08/advanced

 

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/ARCQGBF/2016/12/08/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=non-passenger&order=wtt

 

Ta. A bit early for me as I shouldn't be in Settle until about 0845...... Will try and catch the return though.

 

Cheers,

Mick

[jamie92208]

Look forward to some piccy's from my old home town Mick.   I hadn't connected the dots as to where your new office is located but the light bulb has finally lit up.   I can still remember when the Sidings was an active goods yard. 

 

When I went up to Scotgog in October I saw one of the southbound loaded workings from Helwith Bridge, at Settle Junction as I passed at about 10.30am

 

Jamie

[newbryford]

The inward working tomorrow (6M16) operating to a short term plan to the working timetable is from Pendleton;

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R01861/2016/12/08/advanced

 

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/ARCQGBF/2016/12/08/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=non-passenger&order=wtt

 

I think I've found out why the northbound workings to Arcow don't show on a RTT search of Settle (station)

 

6M31

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O52982/2016/12/08/advanced

 

 

The northbound isn't given a time for passing Settle, so it isn't shown on my usual search, but the southbound trains are.........

 

However, if I type in Settle Jn, all is well.........

 

Cheers,

Mick

[4630]

I think I've found out why the northbound workings to Arcow don't show on a RTT search of Settle (station)

 

6M31

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O52982/2016/12/08/advanced

 

 

The northbound isn't given a time for passing Settle, so it isn't shown on my usual search, but the southbound trains are.........

 

However, if I type in Settle Jn, all is well.........

 

Cheers,

Mick

 

 

Yes, I've been caught out by similar in RTT searches before in this part of West Yorkshire, and why I don't now solely rely on RTT.  I always now search against Huddersfield, Hebden Bridge & Halifax as these are specific timing points.  I'm guessing that they will remain so when signal control from the current manned boxes at those locations migrates to York ROC over the next few years.

[jamie92208]

Settle probably isn't a timing point as IIRC there are no signals there any longer.  Helwith Bridge is an intermediate block between Settle Junction and Blea Moor I think.

 

Jamie