long island jack Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Bought a couple of tank cars today(good price),but need help about period they ran and load the carried, and if there out of period, could I patch them (think the blue one maybe ok for my modern layout) Athearn CELX Atlas SACX any help will be welcome don't know a great deal about tank cars(just that there pretty colours!!!!!!!!! ) Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 They are both fairly modern cars, but they lack conspicuity stripes, so they'd be more appropriate for earlier than 2006. It did take time for all cars to get stripes, though. Here is a similar CELX (Celtran Inc) car in 1998. http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=celx15200&o=celx and in 2004 http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=celx23002&o=celx and here is one with conspicuity stripes in 2010, car built in 1980 http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=celx23167&o=celx You do still see blue tank cars today This suggests that the SACX reporting mark was eliminated in 1972, which seems appropriate for the colourful PPG scheme. Current PPG cars have PPGX reporting marks and tend to be plainer http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reports.html Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Hi Ray, The blue one appears to have a hazmat code of 1175 which Wikipedia says is Ethylbenzene, which is a solvent http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylbenzene Is any thing printed on the PPG one that gives a clue asto cargo? Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted June 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 6, 2015 Hi all, For some reason the PPG tank raises a rememberance from the 1980's... I think that they were involved with the production of Teflon for coating metals including pans for cooking with. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Cheers guys the PPG tank car has, chlorine only, DOT105-a-500w -w (once I found my magnifier ) , the CELX tank car(as Nick said) carries Ethylbenzene, both these products are used in the production of paint, as I don't have any were for a extra siding, I could have a small special paint coatings manufacturer of scene, would it be feasible to unload them on my Transflo track into a truck tanker ,for onward shipping?? Would I need a special tank unloading area or just unload trackside?? Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 It depends on the volatility. Something potentially explosive would likely be unloaded somewhere that had a berm between the unloading area and non-railroad property. Ethylbenzene seems to be mostly used for plastics, but it also appears to be highly volatile (explosive), so you would see similar precautions to those used for handling gasoline or propane. It is possible that you would see single carload traffic for one of the niche uses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylbenzene Adrian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Adrian would these be any good? http://www.spillcontainment.com/product-video Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Adrian would these be any good? http://www.spillcontainment.com/product-video Ray Possibly, but it would also include facilities to mitigate the effects of an explosion, and probably facilities that ensure that the tank car and the receiving tank/vehicle are at the same electrical potential (no static sparks). It is the explosive nature of the air-vapour mix that is the main issue. It is thought that the Sunrise Propane explosion/fire in Toronto was caused by doing a truck to truck transfer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_propane_explosion Also, see the protection berms at this propane facility (unfortunately, both the Google and Bing overhead shots were taken before the rail connection and expansion of the facility was completed. https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.215641,-76.750866,3a,52.4y,128.96h,91.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sGaa2JH3z_WBsX8fEBcDyZw!2e0 (yes, they have an orange trackmobile for shunting cars) Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 cheers Adrian Think it's going to be easier to sell them on and get some tank cars with less dangerous loads (if there is any!!), i just haven't got the space (12" x 5") on the layout for all that earthwork or patch them for a less hazardous load ,would this happen in the real world!! Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What about a freight car repair shop, that would justify anything and need only take up one track. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Why not re-letter them? ; Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 or patch them for a less hazardous load ,would this happen in the real world!! If you had plain black tanks i'd say go for it, but with such distinctive liveries that's a harder sell... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
long island jack Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 What about a freight car repair shop, that would justify anything and need only take up one track. Nick Nick like that idea, will look into it. Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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