RMweb Gold 46444 Posted February 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) I'm looking for some OO gauge BR (WR) Toad brake van transfers particularly the 'RU' and 'Not In Common Use' markings as well depot allocations. One of the HMRS BR wagon sheets has some of the above but the typeface looks too small. CCT do a sheet BL164 for BR brake vans. Would this be useful? Cheers, Mark Edited February 1, 2016 by 46444 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I'm looking for some OO gauge BR (WR) Toad brake van transfers particularly the 'RU' and 'Not In Common Use' markings as well depot allocations. One of the HMRS BR wagon sheets has some of the above but the typeface looks too small. CCT do a sheet BL164 for BR brake vans. Would this be useful? Cheers, Mark Mark, Sheet BL164 - Transfers for BR brakevan working restrictions; (Carmarthen and Llanelli area). Nine different working instructions are included. Allocation lettering for twenty-seven brake vans. 4mm. scale price is £7.00 As you will see, the working instructions are specific to the Carmarthen and Llanelli area. The problem with brakevan allocations is that there were hundreds - and everyone wants different ones. ..... plus, as far as I am aware, there is no documentary record of precisely how the instructions were worded. Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted February 1, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) Mark, 4BL0164_.JPG Sheet BL164 - Transfers for BR brakevan working restrictions; (Carmarthen and Llanelli area). Nine different working instructions are included. Allocation lettering for twenty-seven brake vans. 4mm. scale price is £7.00 As you will see, the working instructions are specific to the Carmarthen and Llanelli area. The problem with brakevan allocations is that there were hundreds - and everyone wants different ones. ..... plus, as far as I am aware, there is no documentary record of precisely how the instructions were worded. Thanks for posting the artwork John. They do look good. I'm researching some Forest of Dean BR Toad's so parts of your decals may be of use. Cheers, Mark Edited February 1, 2016 by 46444 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Thanks for posting the artwork John. They do look good. I'm researching some Forest of Dean BR Toad's so parts of your decals may be of use. Cheers, Mark Related to Mark's researches; if any list member has researched brake van allocations / routes for a particular geographical area, with sufficient markings to fill a sheet such as BL164 above, I would be prepared to consider adding such a sheet to my list. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) If you were unaware of its' existence, this may be a start John ?.www.gwr.org.uk/notes/brakeallocations.doc .In addition there is another page showing shunter's truck allocations..www.gwr.org.uk/noshunters.html Brian R Edited February 2, 2016 by br2975 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 If you were unaware of its' existence, this may be a start John ? . www.gwr.org.uk/notes/brakeallocations.doc . In addition there is another page showing shunter's truck allocations. . www.gwr.org.uk/noshunters.html Brian R Brian, Thank you for that - extremely useful ! The shunters' truck document was the basis for my transfer sheets for shunters' trucks; but I hadn't come across the brakevan document before. I'll have to look into what is possible. Regards, John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 There is a Modelmaster sheet which might help. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted February 2, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2016 There is a Modelmaster sheet which might help. Thanks Chris, Looking on their site they are out of stock at present. Then there's the issue of removing the film from the transfers once dry with Modelmaster which I've never had success with. Cheers, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) If you were unaware of its' existence, this may be a start John ? . www.gwr.org.uk/notes/brakeallocations.doc . In addition there is another page showing shunter's truck allocations. . www.gwr.org.uk/noshunters.html Brian R Well - a quiet afternoon so I set to work !! Above are the first two sheets of what I intend to be alphabetic coverage of BR-WR 'TOAD' brakevan allocations. The allocations are taken from the GWR Modelling list, and some are dated to the 1940s; I have assumed that those that I used survived through into the BR period. If anyone knows to the contrary, and can offer an alternative, I will amend the sheet as appropriate. Any other comments would be welcome; these first two sheets are available now at £7.00 each, including UK P&P, for 2, 3, 3.5 & 4mm. scales; S scale - £14.00; 7mm. scale - £21.00; Gauge 1 - £28.00 Further sheets in this series will appear on my website as time permits ! Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. cctrans@hotmail.com cctrans.org.uk Edited February 2, 2016 by cctransuk 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted February 2, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2016 ........if any list member has researched brake van allocations / routes for a particular geographical area, with sufficient markings to fill a sheet such as BL164 above, I would be prepared to consider adding such a sheet to my list. Hi John, That's a very kind offer. I'll carry on my research and let you know, Regarding the FoD brake vans I've so fat come up with the following: LYDNEY, R.U., NOT IN COMMON USE ROSS-ON-WYE, R.U. , NOT IN COMMON USE I also think I've found some which say the following: ?SOUTH WEST AREA, R.U. , NOT IN COMMON USE Most however appear to have the allocation and R.U painted out just leaving the 'NOT IN COMMON USE' I'll post a topic on the FoD thread on here for further information. Cheers. Mark . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi John, That's a very kind offer. I'll carry on my research and let you know, Regarding the FoD brake vans I've so fat come up with the following: LYDNEY, R.U., NOT IN COMMON USE ROSS-ON-WYE, R.U. , NOT IN COMMON USE I also think I've found some which say the following: ?SOUTH WEST AREA, R.U. , NOT IN COMMON USE Most however appear to have the allocation and R.U painted out just leaving the 'NOT IN COMMON USE' I'll post a topic on the FoD thread on here for further information. Cheers. Mark . I notice John's got 'Bullo Pill' on that list- am I correct in thinking that's FoD? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) I notice John's got 'Bullo Pill' on that list- am I correct in thinking that's FoD? I would think so Brian. . Bullo Pill being the main line connection for the 'Forest of Dean Branch' to Bilson / Cinderford / Whimsey etc . Whereas Lydney/Lydney Jcn. would have covered the Severn & Wye lines to Parkend, Coleford Jct. / Coleford / Whitecliff Quarry etc. Brian R Edited February 3, 2016 by br2975 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I would think so Brian. . Bullo Pill being the main line connection for the 'Forest of Dean Branch' to Bilson / Cinderford / Whimsey etc . Whereas Lydney/Lydney Jcn. would have covered the Severn & Wye lines to Parkend, Coleford Jct. / Coleford / Whitecliff Quarry etc. Brian R There's a place called 'Whimsey'? Mind you, on the way to Longfield show on Sunday, I discovered a village in North Kent called 'Thong'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarcher Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Excuse my ignorance, but is there a logic to these markings? Especially in the case of branch lines, sometimes the branding is for the junction (like Lydney etc above), but then the branch from Leominster had it's van marked 'Kington Branch' after the terminus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 When we get to the Ps I'll be after some too, Portmadoc and Pwllheli had R.U. Designated vans I'll be needing to deal with, though they were ex Cambrian vans so they may not appear on the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 3, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Excuse my ignorance, but is there a logic to these markings? Especially in the case of branch lines, sometimes the branding is for the junction (like Lydney etc above), but then the branch from Leominster had it's van marked 'Kington Branch' after the terminus? I have always presumed that the ones specified to a branch were exactly that - they were supposed to work on the branch. I presume that practice probably dated back to the time when many (?all?) freight brakevans were individually allocated to particular Guards - thus if there was, for example, a Goods Guard whose duties were confined to the Kington Branch then his van would be similarly labelled. Oh and of course in later years when teh vans became common user among Goods Guards having a van labelled for specific work helped to stop it being pinched for something else. Edited February 3, 2016 by The Stationmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarcher Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I have always presumed that the ones specified to a branch were exactly that - they were supposed to work on the branch. I presume that practice probably dated back to the time when many (?all?) freight brakevans were individually allocated to particular Guards - thus if there was, for example, a Goods Guard whose duties were confined to the Kington Branch then his van would be similarly labelled. Oh and of course in later years when teh vans became common user among Goods Guards having a van labelled for specific work helped to stop it being pinched for something else. Thanks, I wondered because looking at the allocations list on GWR.org while some branches have a dedicated van (like Kington) many seem not to have (no Looe, Helston etc etc), would they simply not have their own van or is the list just incomplete? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Two more sheets today - BL166C and BL166D-G. As usual, these are available now, and will appear on my website dreckly - as they say here in Cornwall. Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. cctrans@hotmail.com cctrans.org.uk Edited February 4, 2016 by cctransuk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2016 Thanks, I wondered because looking at the allocations list on GWR.org while some branches have a dedicated van (like Kington) many seem not to have (no Looe, Helston etc etc), would they simply not have their own van or is the list just incomplete? Could be either - what it would partially depend on is where the branch trip originated (for example the branch I live on didn't have an allocated van at either end whereas the yard our trip came from had at least 7 brakevans on its strength). Without the complete records and details of the trip workings it is always going to be difficult to work out if vans were allocated to any particular branch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Another day - another couple of sheets; (at least this wet weather is good for something)! Available now - details on my website soon. Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. cctrans@hotmail.com cctrans.org.uk 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Lousy weather in Cornwall - so two more sheets today. Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. cctrans@hotmail.com cctrans.org.uk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Correction - the final sheet was completed this evening ! Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 You have been a busy man. Sheets BL166M-0 (Oswestry) and BL166C (Chester and Croes Newydd) will do for me in 4mm when they are ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 You have been a busy man. Sheets BL166M-0 (Oswestry) and BL166C (Chester and Croes Newydd) will do for me in 4mm when they are ready. Larry, All of my transfers, being digitally designed and printed to order, are available from the moment that I finish the design. Once mentioned here and on my website, they can be ordered. PM me your address and your transfers will be in Monday's first class postal collection - or today's if you get back to me quickly ! Regards, John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Lousy weather in Cornwall - so two more sheets today. 4BL0166P-R.JPG 4BL0166S.JPG Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. cctrans@hotmail.com cctrans.org.uk Gutted, no ex Cambrian vans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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