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Total Novice!


Spacecadet1965

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blog-0966242001449668819.jpgHi there. I'm a total beginner & would like some advice (well; lots I should imagine over the coming months & years!!) My layout will be in my attic which gets very warm in summer & was wondering if anyone could advise me on steps to take to minimise track warping etc. I have also included a diagram of my baseboard which a friend did for me out of old bits of wood. It's a bit uneven & was wondering about evening out harsh bumps?!!? Many Thanks
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Hi, I don't have any experience of building layouts in an attic, but as regards the surface on which you will be laying your track, I would definitely, definitely get it as smooth as possible. Time and effort spent here will be repaid with reliable running for as long as your layout is in existence. Just think how annoying it would be if you laid your track and completed your scenery, only for trains to keep derailing, thus leading to you having to virtually dismantle the whole thing, in order to smooth out the track base.

 

As regards rails expanding in the heat, one way is to lay the track on a hot day, thus ensuring that the rails have expanded as much as they are likely to. This may not be practical, though, unless you are happy to wait around 6 months! Also, if you do that, the subsequent contraction in colder weather may open up gaps that in themselves cause derailments. May be better to lay the track in an 'average' loft temperature, but leave small gaps in the fishplates to allow for expansion. Also, probably better to fix the track down as securely as you can, ideally gluing it with something like PVA.

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Thanks captain kernow. Any ideas on how to smooth out the baseboard? (short of ripping it out & starting again!!) Thanks again for replying to my blog. I'm a bit new to this blogging malarkey & wasn't sure I'd done it correctly!!

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Perhaps you could put a photo or two up in this blog or a fresh blog entry, so that we know what we're looking at?

 

A bit of sanding might be sufficient, but it really depends on what the surface of the baseboards is like, plus the joints between the boards.

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Here are a few bad photo's I took a while back. I will try & get some more close up ones on here soon! Sorry if I appear stupid but how do I add images to a comment on here?

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I've been in my present loft for years, but until I had a conversion, expensive but well worth while, it was grief! It ain't just heat, there's cold as well. I made it that summer peak to winter low, there was about 40degree difference, so you must allow for expansion/contraction, unsoldered track joiners with flexible jumpers in particular. You also get dew forming in the cold, so oxidation/rust can happen. There's a window for reasonable working conditions for some weeks April and September, rest of time iffy for comfort. Your photos show you're trying some insulation which might help, but you need to bear in mind roof spaces need ventilation to preserve the structure, which conflicts with your comfort, and you really need good expert building advice if you start trying improvements. Sorry to sound a wet blanket, I'd like to see you succeed and enjoy your modelling. There's a good site, worth reading up on here, by Mallard60022, 'In the spirit of Seaton Junction' which gives a good idea of modelling in a loft. Anyway, all the best with your project.

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Thanks Northroader. It is a bit disheartening. Seems to be 1 step forwards, 2 steps back! No chance of getting a skylight in up there. Rented property & costs! Have to get my thinking cap on! Nowhere else to put a descent sized layout. May make a smaller end to end one I can store on it's side when not in use. Think it was a case of running before I could walk with the attic idea!!? Thanks again for the advice. Happy modelling

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I hope I haven't been too much a prophet of doom, certainly I don't want to put you off a great hobby. If it is all completely new to you, maybe a small line to gain experience, build up stocks, and get expertise, would be good sense, as you propose, rather than being too ambitious with a big oval at your first attempt. In the meantime, you can get an electronic thermometer with max and min recording, and see just what does happen up there. Also in the meantime, have a good luck round this website, and see what people are getting up to, there's immense variety, and you'll find something I'm sure you'll identify with.

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My first layout was in the foundations of my parents house, we had no other space so my Dad knocked out a dog size hole, as the house was on a slope at one end the foundation was deep enough to walk - very carefully - crouched half over.

 

The problems were huge, damp being the main one, particularly as my track was the old Super Four iron rails, also there was no where between the foundation walls wide enough for a loop and the temperature went from sahara to arctic. 

 

It was great, for two years I worked more than played with it, gradually overcoming every problem. I developed a fascination for electrics and engineering and left home and my precious train set after winning an apprenticeship as an electrical engineer. I entirely credit my career with that train set and it's seemingly insurmountable problems.

 

My long winded point is there is no such thing as wasted time, just learning time, on a practical note consider 50mm extruded foam, it is firm but flexible enough to smooth out your bumps, Best of all its cheap, I got mine from Wickes, it comes in 8x4 sheets or more manageable 2x4. 

 

BTW, if anyone has a tangle of rusted steel in their foundations and a huge rats nest of wiring and dodgey transformers ripped out of domestic appliances from the dump - for God's sake do not switch it on!

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Thanks Zanussi. Appreciate the feedback. Having nowhere else to put a layout I'm going to crack on & hope for the best. Like you say it's trial and error & finding solutions to problems. I'll check out the foam idea. Once again thanks for the advice

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Watch this space!! Most of my rolling stock is at the other end oft he country but will be with me by Christmas. Hopefully I'll be finally getting stuck in after the chaos of Xmas!! Going to start with a colliery with sidings leading to a branch line with a bit of luck. Got a few mineral wagons, a nice looking pit head & my wife has kindly got me a nice looking class 40 for a Christmas present (bless her). It's a start. Hope everyone out there has a nice, peaceful Christmas & a happy new year. Cheers

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