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Western Region Blue Pullman


Barry Ten

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Prompted by the burst of progress on the FFA/FGA sets, I thought I'd dust off another long-stalled project, this being an attempt at producing an eight-car Western Region Pullman set. I started getting the bits for this together long before the Bachmann model was announced, and I must admit although I carried on the with the best of intentions, the arrival of Bachmann's Midland Pullman did take the wind out of my sails a bit, in that it's a superb model which definitely (for me, at least) scratches the Blue Pullman itch. In other words, I'm not sure I'd bother now. But, I'd made enough progress to justify continuing and the recent acquisition of another BP centre car - for a mere fifteen pounds - was even further incentive to look at how far I'd got. On the subject of the centre cars, I found three or four for sale at less than twenty pounds each at a second-hand stall at a recent model show, suggesting that the market for these has taken a bit of tumble. Admittedly they were all fairly scruffy but if you're contemplating this sort of conversion project, that won't matter too much. I was paying thirty or forty or more ten years ago, and some of those were in fairly tatty condition.

 

So - where was I? I'd made most of the bogies, acquired the coaches and etched window replacements, and had already grafted new noses onto the Triang driving cars. The bogies are from Chris Leigh, while the noses are from Genesis and the etched sides from Southern Pride. The driving vehicle uses a pair of Black Beetles. I have a couple of spare coaches of the reversed blue/grey variant, which (I discovered) don't have removable window inserts, but these are still useful for seats and underframe parts. If Triang hadn't felt the need to add tension lock couplers to the front, incidentally, then they could have modelled the noses with the buffer beam at the correct depth, and avoided the need for these new castings. I wonder how many people really needed to be able to couple things onto the front of their Blue Pullmans? I bet no one would have minded if there hadn't been couplers.

 

This week I made a few more tweaks to the motorised power car, adjusting the bogie placements to get them as close to reality as is practically possible given the Triang parts. I also made some more progress on the first of the two Parlour Seconds, one of which is shown here. Next to be done is adjust the seats to match the correct formation for this vehicle.

 

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The powered unit runs nice and smoothly and I've wired it up such that conversion to DCC will be pretty painless. But it remains to be seen whether it'll have enough haulage to cope with the full rake. I'm optimistic, but we'll just have to see how it manages as I add more vehicles. If it turns out not to be enough (even with moderate weighting) then I'll make the rear car powered as well.

 

One last issue is the final livery. It was always going to be the original BP colour scheme, but I'm increasingly toying with the idea of doing it as reversed blue/grey with yellow ends. Although it doesn't seem to have been popular, I've always found the latter scheme to be pretty smart, and at least it'll avoid comparison with the Bachmann one.

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If I've read this blog correctly.....you have brought back such a wonderful memory for me an the Western Region Pullman that used to run between Paddington and Birmingham Snow Hill.....when I was a young nipper of 5 years and on my birthday in May, myself, mom, dad and elder brother arrived into Tilbury after sailing on PO 'Himalaya' for 5 weeks from 'Steak and Kidney' (Sydney) to be met by my aunt and uncle, who had booked us on to the said Pullman service back to Snow Hill, a memorable day which still resides in my head and a fondness for P & O, Liners, Paddington, Snow Hill, Steam and the Blue Pullman !  Brilliant Stuff thanks....Kind regards Bob

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Why not put another black beetle in the B end and as your DCCing the beast tie the 2 motors together on the same address. Think it's called consist, if that's not powerful enough you could pop another motor half way thru the train, I don't think there's a limit to the number of motors you can chain / tether together.

 

Mike

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Hi Mike

 

I've got two in the front car already, so that might be sufficient - I'll get a better idea as I add the trailing cars. Luckily they are very free-rolling with Gibson wheels and bearings. 

 

There's no limit to how many motors you can have on the same address, no. Consisting is slightly different as you keep different addresses but send a command that tells all to move at the same time. In practical terms there's not much in it.

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You ask how many people would need to couple something to the front of a Blue Pullman.  Not many, but don't forget that the two 6 car sets ended up on the Western and ran as a 12 car train up from Bristol in the morning.  How many would model that working?  Count them on the thumbs of one hand!

 

As for the reversed livery, I can do no better than quote Ron White. founder of Colour-Rail: "what crass clown thought this an improvement?" 

 

Chris

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Coincidentally I read Ron White's caption today, while flicking through Model Rail's 1999 issue on the Blue Pullman. I can't help but wonder why the reversed livery gets so much hate, after all elsewhere on the forum people are going bananas over the APT-E. Perhaps it was more down to lack of upkeep, than anything wrong with the concept itself? Personally I rate it as smart and modernist. BR were keen to distinguish between the BP and the corporate blue/grey stock so something had to change.

 

From a practical standpoint, it;s easier to do the earlier blue livery, as the window inserts can be painted separately before being inserted, whereas the reversed livery will need some filling and masking to continue the blue bands around the ends of the coaches. I'd also need to order new etches for the parlour firsts as I was originally counting on using two relatively pristine Triang examples without too much modification.

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Reading with interest

 

About 20 years a go I picked up a very tatty blue Pullman (hand painted in a hybrid intercity / reverse blue grey livery) for the princely sum of 10£. And have now picked up enough additional coaches for a midland unit. My plan is to buy 2 more coaches to convert to kitchens and model the western Pullman instead.

 

 

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Good luck! I've seen very few WR Blue Pullmans running on layouts, so it would be good to have a few more. And I'd guess that there's no chance of an RTR one now unless Hornby look at the costings for a "Railroad" level model without the frills of the Bachmann one.

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