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GWR diagrams - a bit of an explanation


WillCav

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The photo at the top made me think about GWR diagram numbers. Why? You might ask. It is because of their diagrams

 

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Diagram O8

 

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Diagram O8

 

How's that? The Tube (or Open C) wagon is in the wagon index and the Siphon C is in the Passenger index.

 

Each index has letters and numbers. The letter is a category or vehicle and the number is just a unique identifier. The GWR set these indices up in early 20th century. Generally, the higher the number, the newer the design.

 

I think there was some logic - opens were O# Vans V# Crocodiles C#. Other similar types were in similar letters.

N Mineral

O Open merchandise 

P Ballast

Q Hay

R Manure

S Fish

T Engineering

U Stone

were all open types (fish wagons were open at the time).

 

V Van merchandise

W Cattle trucks

X Meat vans

Y Fruit vans

Z Gunpowder vans

AA Brake vans

BB Stores vans

CC Tool vans

All roofed types.

 

All the other types were at the beginning of the alphabet or tacked onto the end.

 

So if someone is quoting a GWR diagram number, you can get an idea of what the wagon might be by looking at the letter.

 

The same is true for the carriage index (where O is Milk).

 

More diagrams for locos and containers and probably most things made in Swindon works.

 

For more detail on wagon diagrams, my go to book is Atkins, Beard and Tourret.

 

Have a safe week

 

Will 

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I believe N were rather more specifically loco coal wagons, the Great Western not going in for building its own general mineral wagons, relying on the coal &c trade to provide their own or else hiring them in from the wagon companies.

 

Crocodile is, I think, a telegraphic code - so I wonder if it was chosen on account of the diagram letter C rather than the other way round. C covers trolleys, not all trolleys were crocodiles.

 

So, I think that apart from O for open and V for van, and the idea that specialised vans come after V in the alphabet, you're looking for more system than there really was.

 

Other railways got by with just D for diagram!

 

There's a bit more logic or at least system on the carriage side, with A for bogie first, B for bogie first brake (were there any?), C for bogie third, D for bogie third brake, E for bogie composite - except that where F ought to be bogie composite brake, such carriages seem to have been given E diagrams...

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And then there's the auto trailers with an entire alphabet to themselves...

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22 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I believe N were rather more specifically loco coal wagons, the Great Western not going in for building its own general mineral wagons, relying on the coal &c trade to provide their own or else hiring them in from the wagon companies.

On reflection, you are probably right Compound. We will never know what was going through their minds 110 years ago but it is fun to try and guess!

Thanks for your reply

Will

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I have a theory that there's a hidden code in the GWR diagram soup. If you arrange them in the right way, they will reveal the year wagons changed from red to grey :)

 

 

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On 18/05/2020 at 20:57, Compound2632 said:

I believe N were rather more specifically loco coal wagons, the Great Western not going in for building its own general mineral wagons, relying on the coal &c trade to provide their own or else hiring them in from the wagon companies.

Don't forget the "Felix Pole" mineral wagons.

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1 minute ago, JimC said:

Don't forget the "Felix Pole" mineral wagons.

 

True, I had, as they're well after my period!

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Mikkel

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I was just looking at the buffers used on the Siphon, can I ask what make those are? They're just what I need for another project, I think.

 

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They look like the standard turned buffers K's and BSL supplied with most of their kits, in the 1970's. There were oval turned oval ones as well.

 

Mike Wiltshire

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