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The 1/50 project, deciding on some dimensions


Dave John

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I suppose a reasonable place to start would be to decide on a rough loading gauge. Now I know it can be complex in theory. Real railways have to consider all sorts, overhang on curves, cant angle and so on. So I dug about and found a selection of mainly European loading gauges and did a bit of rough averaging. Hmm.

 

Having done that I made a realistic guess at the profile of stock to run in it.

 

 

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That looks sensible to me, subject to change. Very simplified of course, but it will do for a start.

 

So, metre gauge track. I have had a look at various pics and documents. From that I conclude that a reasonable average would be represented by code 83 flat bottom rail held onto 1.5 m sleepers by spikes or a clamp arrangement.

 

At least I know the gauge. 20mm. So I turned a couple of roller gauges from the pins of a scrap 15 A plug. Shiny …..

 

I don’t have any code 83 fb , but I do have some very tatty code 75 bh lifted in haste from Kelvinbridge 1 . Nor do I have any nicely cut 30 mm long sleepers. I do have a bag of scrap veroboard offcuts from many electronics projects over the years. I found a bit of slightly warped ply. Screwed a couple of bits of wood on, glued some bits of vero in place and and soldered rail to that.

 

 

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That led me to think about wheels. Over the years I have accumulated many. Some were bundled in with kits  and ended up replaced with decent gibson or 5iL wheels. Time to use them up. So I knocked up a test bogie from scrap etch and some Jackson tender wheels.  Messing about and just playing with the way it ran led me to think that a back to back of 17.8 mm feels right. Not too much sideplay but with the ability to get round a 600 mmm curve without the flanges binding. An angle bracket and a bit of filing and I also have a b-b gauge.

 

 

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Emboldened by that I threw down a bit more track to let me play with pointwork and flangeways. Still messing about a bit, but I think 1.2 mm will work ok. I even roughed out a simple crossing. The test bogie wanders through it despite its roughness.

 

 

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It is all rather approximate, mainly about me getting a feel for it at the moment. Maybe have a think about stock next.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I meant to press the craftmanship/clever button but missed - consider it pressed!

 

I do like the logic of 1:50 and metre gauge and also your comment in your earlier "1:50 project" post about the conventional larger scale(s) and recognition that EM/00/P4 etc may get more difficult with advancing years.  Having grown up with my father's 00 layout, I had some first hand experience of the smaller scale (he also had 009) and, in consequence (together with some eye problems in the last few years), I have not regretted going to 1:43, simply because it's bigger. A few years ago, before starting "Swan Hill", I did look at some Italian, French and German modelling websites expecting to find 1:50 railway modellers and trade support but there weren't and wasn't any which surprised me then and continues to surprise me today.  If there had been, I might now be modelling a bit of Paris's "Petite Ceinture" at 1:50!

 

 

 

 

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I had a look at the Paris system, shame it has been abandoned . It does put me in mind of  the Glasgow subway, still very much in use. 

 

My designs may end with some french influence. 

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41 minutes ago, Dave John said:

some french influence

Ooh, la,la!  It's a great project you've started on - thanks for posting developments:  I look forward to more!

 

 

 

 

 

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1/50 scale is attractive and logical, 12mm gauge is accurate for 600mm gauge.

slaters make a limited range of 21mm gauge wheels/axles for 3 foot gauge in 7mm scale. The 14mm dia railcar trailing wheels could be useful and re gauge quite easily on the shouldered axles. Driving wheels more complex maybe. 
 

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Dave - (it must be the heat today - 29 deg in the workshop) I meant to add to the above post that some of the Italian metre gauge railways are/were in fact 950 inside rail face to inside rail face. Unconventionally, some engineers expressed the "metre" gauge as centre to centre of the rails. I hope they remembered to explain this to the rolling stock builders.  Rome's Giardinetti tram line is 950mm (nominally one metre) and operated by the transport authority ATAC. The rest of the ATAC system is 4' 8 7/8" - nothing conventional!

 

 

 

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Well, since Kelvinbank is steam I am thinking about something a bit more modern. Not very modern, perhaps 1960s and involving the infernal combustion engine. To that end I have been thinking a bit about wheels, so this evening I had a play on the lathe. 

 

I do have a number of old Romford wheels, many from partly made kits and the like I acquired over the years. So I put one in the lathe and machined the centre out, it was in an unusable state anyway. That gave me a nice ns tyre. I soldered in a turned disc and a bit of 1/8 " id brass tube. the other wheel is kinda true, the bit of choc bloc inside holds it together. At 20 mm that makes them a 1m dia wheel. About right for a small diesel. 

 

That has let me play about a bit with a rather heath robinson but workable variable back to back wheelset. ( No I'm not going for working Talgos )  It happily runs through my improvised pointwork. Ok, it is a OO flange profile, but I'm using at a bigger scale, so it doesn't look too big. 

 

 

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