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Duckets! or V9 to V8


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My V9 passenger brake van has been languishing on my work bench waiting for me to paint it for far too long.  I applied a coat of acid etch primer at least a year ago, but since then made little progress.  The main stumbling block in motivation to finish it was the fact that for my modelling period the V9 didn’t exist!  I thought when I bought the kit that a coach that was originally built for broad gauge and then converted to standard gauge in the 1890s would be perfectly acceptable for circa 1905, how wrong can you be!

 

V9 Passenger Brake Van

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Upon further reading I discovered that the V9’s were in fact converted from V8’s by the removal of the guards duckets in 1920.   Apparently the duckets were prone to rot and their removal happened on a number of Passenger Brake Vans, creating the V1s from the V2s, the V4s from V5s, V6s from V7s etc. All this seems to indicate that GWR Passenger Brake Vans all had duckets in the period that I model.


As I’d more or less finished the vehicle, this was a little irritating!  After a bit of mulling about the problem I decided I had three options.

 

1. Convince myself that it didn’t really matter and what’s 15 years here or there!

2. Finish it and sell it to someone modelling the 1920s

3. Add the missing duckets!

 

I knew that how ever much I tried to convince myself scenario 1 would always grate on me, so that wasn’t going to work.
If I did sell the coach I’d still have to build another more appropriate vehicle to replace it and coaches take me forever to build!

This left me with option 3, but how best to proceed took me a while to ponder about.

 

The break through came when I found out during a phone call to Slaters Plastikard that it was possible to purchase individual components from their 7mm coach range.  I’ve already built a number off their 4 wheel and bogie clerestory coaches and remembered that the duckets for the Brake 3rds were separate components from the body sides.  I ordered a pair of these and once I’d assembled them could make a start adding them to my V9.

 

Plucking up courage to take a saw to a more or less finished coach took a while but once the first cut was made there’s no going back!

 

Cut sides and Slaters Plastikard Duckets

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Once the cuts were made and tidied up with files I glued some plastic card inside the coach using rapid set epoxy resin.

 

Plastic card inserts

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The duckets were then glued in position using liquid poly and allowed to set.  Milliput putty was used to fill in any gaps between the duckets and the body sides, once set this was sanded with diminishing grade sandpaper strips.

 

Duckets in situ

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The Slaters duckets are meant for coaches with the smaller eves panels, so the moulding was sanded off and then microstrip was used to make a new raised panel line a couple of millimetres lower than the original position.

 

Microstrip panel moulding 

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The coach was then re-sprayed with primer to give a smooth finish and check that everything blended together without any obvious joins!

 

Coach in primer

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Hopefully readers will think that that I’ve finally got an appropriate coach for Sherton and I can get on with painting the pesky thing!
 

Best wishes

 

Dave

 

 

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Looking good, Dave - and, yes, you might as well fix it now, or you will regret it later. I sometimes find it hard to go back to things I think I have already done, it's often easier psychologically to get on with something new.

 

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That's quite a conversion, and the moving of the moulding for the eaves panel depth has worked out a treat.

 

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39 minutes ago, magmouse said:

Looking good, Dave - and, yes, you might as well fix it now, or you will regret it later. I sometimes find it hard to go back to things I think I have already done, it's often easier psychologically to get on with something new.

 

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Thanks Nick, completely agree about the difficulty of going back to rectify something you’ve got wrong!
 

26 minutes ago, Miss Prism said:

That's quite a conversion, and the moving of the moulding for the eaves panel depth has worked out a treat.

 

Thanks Russ, glad you think it’s worked out ok🙂  The worst part was making that first cut, no going back once that’s done!

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That's an excellent job, Dave, looks like a seamless joint.

 

I didn't know Slaters provide parts separately, that's a nice touch on their part, can't be a big money maker for them.

 

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18 hours ago, Mikkel said:

That's an excellent job, Dave, looks like a seamless joint.

Thanks Mikkel, a bit of Milliput filler works wonders!🙂

 

18 hours ago, Mikkel said:

I didn't know Slaters provide parts separately, that's a nice touch on their part, can't be a big money maker for them.

Yes I’ve found Slaters to be very helpful.  It’s not advertised on their website, but the staff on the phone helpline are really good and generally happy to help.  Not sure what a phone call from Denmark would cost you, but if you told them it was for Farthing then they would probably fully reimburse you!😀

 

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Excellent work there, Dave. Given how in-period everything else is on the layout, it would have been a shame to spoil things even if 15 years doesn't seem that much at this remove.

 

Ready and painted by Thornbury, what are the chances?

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5 hours ago, Barry Ten said:

Excellent work there, Dave. Given how in-period everything else is on the layout, it would have been a shame to spoil things even if 15 years doesn't seem that much at this remove.

Thanks Al, yes I’m glad now it’s done and doesn’t nag away at the back of my mind!
 

5 hours ago, Barry Ten said:

 

Ready and painted by Thornbury, what are the chances?

That’s definitely the aim, here’s hoping life doesn’t get in the way!
 

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15 hours ago, wenlock said:

Thanks Mikkel, a bit of Milliput filler works wonders!🙂

 

Yes I’ve found Slaters to be very helpful.  It’s not advertised on their website, but the staff on the phone helpline are really good and generally happy to help.  Not sure what a phone call from Denmark would cost you, but if you told them it was for Farthing then they would probably fully reimburse you!😀

 

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Thanks for the info Dave. I'll wait until I need a larger order from Slaters, as I have to pay 20£ import handling fee on everything from the UK these days (no minimum threshold).

 

With the V8 you will IIRC have the option of forming a nice mixed train with bogie clerestories, and some 6- and 4-wheelers. I do like these mixed stock trains and am working on something similar for Farthing.

 

But the big question is, will the growing number of coaches all fit on Sherton Abbas or will you have to build the junction station for Sherton so you can run longer trains? I for one would like to see that, and it would only take 10-15 years 🙂

 

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9 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Thanks for the info Dave. I'll wait until I need a larger order from Slaters, as I have to pay 20£ import handling fee on everything from the UK these days (no minimum threshold).

 Crikey 20£ is a bit steep! Still an excuse to stock up on loads of “essential” bits and pieces🙂

9 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

With the V8 you will IIRC have the option of forming a nice mixed train with bogie clerestories, and some 6- and 4-wheelers. I do like these mixed stock trains and am working on something similar for Farthing.

Yes that’s the plan, there’s something rather lovely about mixed trains with differing eaves panel heights and rooflines.  I’m very much looking forward to seeing an example at Farthing!

 

9 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

But the big question is, will the growing number of coaches all fit on Sherton Abbas or will you have to build the junction station for Sherton so you can run longer trains? I for one would like to see that, and it would only take 10-15 years 🙂

 

An even bigger question to my mind is when I’m finally going to get round to building the River class that’s supposed to pull the coaches!
 

Your not alone in wanting me to build a junction station.  I would also love to, but I’m afraid lack of space precludes it🙄 Still it’s a lovely thought and nice to dream!

 

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