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So I'm finally making a start on the buildings adjacent to the goods yard at Clare. We have a large maltings, still existing as an antiques centre, and a pair of buildings, one with a hipped roof and the other with a pitched roof. One of these is marked on one site plan as 'telephone exchange'.

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The maltings has been heavily altered but the current 'Greek portico' is just an embellishment of the original loading area where lorries would reverse in to tip grain.

 

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A search on West Suffolk's public access planning application site found a recent application for converting some of the space from an antiques centre into flats and this application included some useful drawings. If you are thinking of modeling any building which existed until fairly recently it is worth looking to see if there are any planning applications available online. While searching for this I also found drawings of Clare station building (application to make changes to make it suitable to be a cafe) and Clare goods shed (application to add a toilet block).

 

https://planning.westsuffolk.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=O18SI2PDMLV00&activeTab=summary

 

However I would point out that some architects may not be as diligent and those of my acquaintance because the drawing incorrectly shows the windows on the top storey as the same height as on the ground and first floor. I guess they just didn't count the brick coarse correctly! Memo to self -  Cross-reference your sources!

 

I had a go at cutting a 'first attempt' yesterday and then found loads of mistakes in the my drawing. I've hopefully corrected those and I'll have another go at cutting it later in the week. Although it is quite a large building I don't think it unbalances the corner too much. Obviously I've had to shorted it a bit because I couldn't fit the full length in.

 

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This then leave me thinking about the two little building opposite. What is currently there is a Scout hut which according the same West Suffolk planning site was granted permission to be converted from the old telephone exchange in 1983.

 

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https://planning.westsuffolk.gov.uk/online-applications/files/110212DD9A8AE2D70C6297425E509E6E/pdf/E_83_3477_P-DECISION_NOTICE-979890.pdf

 

So I'm left wondering how this building relates to the two in the aerial photograph from 1949. It looks to me as if the building has been extended on the end nearest the camera as the brickwork has a distinct change. Could the remainder of the building be the pitched roof building?  The resolution of the aerial photo is not enough to be sure but it doesn't look to me as if the buildings had any obvious windows which I guess fits with a telephone exchange. Could both buildings have been something to do with the GPO?

 

Any ideas welcome!

 

Thanks

David

 

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I doubt the white picket fence in the modern photo is original, but it may well be on the same line as the railway boundary fence / gate in the aerial photo. Which suggests the scout hut is indeed the pitched roof building extended forwards of the fence. Checking an old 25" map against a modern one may help resolve that. 

 

The advice to check planning applications is an excellent one - I have site plans and dimensioned floor plans of some 18th century warehouses and a 19th century church intended for a future extention to my layout from checking these. An estate agent's site also turned up a dimensioned flood plan of the Station Master's house for the same project, but searching those is a bit more hit and miss ! 

 

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As a slight aside to the original research source, if you know anybody in a civil engineering company, they may have done railway related work for which drawings will exist. I could have had access to East Midlands Parkway station via this route.

 

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If it is anything to do with the GPO Trevor is probably your man. I should be seeing him at the Trent do at the weekend so will mention it then.

 

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Your telephone exchange buildings are quite easy... The pitched roof one is an A type building, that probably housed a UAX5 or a UAX12. The hipped building is a B type and would have been built for the replacement exchange, probably a UAX13 (although it could have been a UAX6). 

Your later colour photo of the exchange shows that the B type has been extended over the footprint of the A type building, in this case at least twice, if not three times! I'm guess the original B type is actually the 1/4 that is behind the tree, and its actually been extended forward and backwards, and lost the hipped roof in the process. 

 

Andy G

 

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13 hours ago, uax6 said:

Your telephone exchange buildings are quite easy... The pitched roof one is an A type building, that probably housed a UAX5 or a UAX12. The hipped building is a B type and would have been built for the replacement exchange, probably a UAX13 (although it could have been a UAX6). 

Your later colour photo of the exchange shows that the B type has been extended over the footprint of the A type building, in this case at least twice, if not three times! I'm guess the original B type is actually the 1/4 that is behind the tree, and its actually been extended forward and backwards, and lost the hipped roof in the process. 

 

Andy G

 

Thanks Andy, that is really helpful.

I've been searching online and I'm guessing that the A type would be something like this I found on Twitter

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while the B type was like this (only not rendered)

 

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Does anyone know of a site with any plans for these and where they generally a standard size and layout?

 

 

Actually I've found two better examples - Glemsford, not far from Clare in Suffolk

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and Bures

 

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and Felsted

 

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Yeh! another research rabbit hole to dive down!

 

and now I've found some plans from where someone was refused permission to turn one in Oxfordshire into a house.

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David

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The first image isn't an A, its a bit like a B, but not quite! Probably a mod to the design to suit the site.

 

The second image is a rendered A type, as is the 3rd image (but with a different design roof!).

The remaining images are B types.

Sadly the official drawing for the early A types (with the timber windows, no longer exists, but the one for the later type with Crittal Z windows does... 

I'm not sure the B type drawing exists still, I'll have to do some digging. But the larger B1 type certainly does.

Both types are also available as timber built versions..

 

PM me, and I'll see what I can do for you!

 

Andy G

 

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