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Progress on a possible J17 kit - part 2 - self quartering P4 wheels anyone?


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In my previous blog on this subject I mentioned I'd 3D printed some wheel centres to fit into Alan Gibson 4'10" tyres. I put these into my test chassis and got it working but I was not entirely happy with the result. The issue I believe is that 'Gibson Style' wheels rely on having the centre molded out of a fairly 'grippy' plastic, the hole through the centre is designed to be a good tight fit on an 1/8th inch axle. even so most of us have had a wheel be a bit loose at times and some people resort to pinning the wheels to the axles. Those modelling in OO and EM have the opportunity to use wheels from Romford, now Markits which make use of an axle with a square end which fits into a square hole in the back of the wheel.

 

I thought I'd try and replicate this with my wheel centre print so modified the wheel centre to match the style of a Romford wheel and I purchased some Markits EM axles. Obviously the P4 Back-to-Back is slightly wider than the EM one so my wheels needed a little section in the back to take their thickness out so that when fastened to the EM axles they present a P4 Back-to-Back. The drawing shows the rear of the wheel centre.

 

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Printing horizontally does mean that the back of the wheel has all the support structure which needs to be removed but it cleans up alright (photo taken half way through the process). The key is not to interfere with the central boss and just to make the rest of the wheel rear smooth. I've put a touch of black sharpie on the rear of the wheel to better show up the square whole. I had to play about a bit with the model to get the right size central boss.

 

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A little bit of trial and error was needed at this point but in the end I fitted all 3 axles to the test chassis and the quartering of the wheels worked from the get-go. Obviously I'll need to make some covers for the axle ends but the result took less effort than using my GW wheel press.

 

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I have now assembled the footplate and cab sides and it all fits together quite nicely with the 3D printed boiler though nothing is fastened down at this point.

 

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I've borrowed a GW models roller to roll the cab roof (thanks Middlepeak) so that is the next job on the cab. Although I have etched the brake gear I've also produced a 3D printed version of the brake hangers and brake blocks to see how they work and whether they are robust enough.

 

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I also need to make up the tender chassis, I've rubbed down the tender sides very slightly to remove a little bit of marking from the printing process.

 

All together I think it is some good progress.

 

David

 

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Those wheel centres look great.  In addition to the self quartering, the ability to fit, remove and refit during the build must be a significant advantage too.

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Very innovative wheel design.  I tried EM some while ago but I absolutely have no faith in non self quartering wheels such as Gibson or Ultrascale.  I did try Markits, which I do trust but couldn't get things to work.  Happily I discovered 0 gauge and everything is now right with the world.

 

You are doing a great job with this kit development.  Watching with interest.

 

John

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David

 

Markits do (or at least did) produce a P4 axle?

 

I use them and a set of Markit wheels during the chassis builds as the self quartering function takes one of the unknowns away during a build.  It means that you only ever need to put the Gibson (or other) wheels on once at the end of the build.

 

Mark

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On 29/07/2023 at 13:47, brossard said:

Very innovative wheel design.  I tried EM some while ago but I absolutely have no faith in non self quartering wheels such as Gibson or Ultrascale.  I did try Markits, which I do trust but couldn't get things to work.  Happily I discovered 0 gauge and everything is now right with the world.

 

You are doing a great job with this kit development.  Watching with interest.

 

John

Gibson and Ultrascale wheel are fine normally, particularly if you have a GW wheel press. It was just the resin centres which didn't have the grippiness of the plastic.

David

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16 hours ago, Portchullin Tatty said:

David

 

Markits do (or at least did) produce a P4 axle?

 

I use them and a set of Markit wheels during the chassis builds as the self quartering function takes one of the unknowns away during a build.  It means that you only ever need to put the Gibson (or other) wheels on once at the end of the build.

 

Mark

Yes they do, but they only seem to be available direct from Markits and not through the various resellers like Wizard or Roxey. I will try to get some as they might make this easier.

David

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I'm very much interested in this project and the P4 self-quartering wheels. I would be very keen that an 'as Stratford-built' version could be offered, because my very early Grouping layout would need a loco (or more) in virtually as-built condition. I guess you have the G.E.R. Society's Gardner drawing to make this possible.

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