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Brackhampton Snow Hill


rovex

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As one does when you don't have a railway I've been thinking about what to build next, I want to utilise as much of the saved buildings from the old railway as possible, so this would mean it has to be quite a size, (so hopuse hunting has been a bit difficult what with prices in Redditch being somewhat higher than my backwater in Leeds. So as well as a house that has room for large Victorian furniture, I also need a large garage, or play room or a garden big enough to allow me to build one and still allow Kevin room to have the dog he's always wanted.

 

Being so close to Birmingham my thoughts turned to Snow Hill (nothing like being ambitious and to be honest I was somewhat inspired by this thread from the old RMweb (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=40583) called Solsbury Hill but based on the pre 1908 Snow Hill - actually I'd love to know how this is coming along)

 

I spent Saturday in Birmingham City Archives seeing what plans they have of Birmingham Snow Hill. The answer seems to be very little - Railways apparently being exempt from the old planing process. Any model would be very loosely based on it - thus Brackhampton and not Birmingham - that and my love for Agatha Christie novels. I've got plenty of photos and plans for the platform buildings I was trying to find something useful about the Ticket Hall and Station Hotel as well as tryiung to understand the layout of the offices and access roads above the station. I've only got a few photos. I'm stuck between scratch building the hotel or kit bashing the Vollmer Kit for the Palais apartments (3775). I intend using one of the faller train sheds for the roof of the ticket hall

 

This is the Vollmer kit

 

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and this is the real thing

 

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it's not a bit like the real thing, but i hoped if I increased the height of the ground floor, added a few columns to the end bays, stretched out the middle, got rid of those rather nasty bay windows and removed the roof and those great curved dormers adding an extra storey to the ends and those rather trade mark chimneys I might be able to make something that would at least have the right scale and be passable, well at least in the dark with the lights off.

 

If anyones got some decent photos or better still access to plans - I understand that BR sold most of them off in the 80's I'd be grateful. I think I've probably got most of whats readily available - (two books specifically about Snow Hill and of course that textbook on GWR architecture which has a very comprehensive section on the platform buildings)

 

Cheers

 

Rovex

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Hi,

Guilty as charged... at least for perpetrating Solsbury Hill, an ongoing project now heavily compromised by an increasing lack of mobility courtesy of some 'joy-riders' (I do prefer the irony of that termohmy.gif ) a few years ago. I do post on here form time-to-time on matters arising but apart form a quick 'heads up' in the new layouts forum it'll take real progress before there'll be more worth posting.

 

More detail on your project would be very welcome, Etched Pixels had a look at doing a proper Snow Hill but found the space needed too great (there's a brief thread on RMweb3 if you do a search).

 

Here are a few links that might be of interest:

There is the excellent photo thread of Steve Williams on RMweb3

Two photo sites that I keep going back to here , and although more general on changing Brum there are some interesting photo's here.

 

I assume you have the two Harrison books and the Vaughan, there's also Birmingham Snow Hill - A Great Station by Ian Baxter and Richard Harper ISBN 0 9534775 1 7, published by them in conjunction with Kidderminster Railway Museum.

 

I do like the building you've found as a basis for the 'hotel', as you've probably seen in my thread I've elected to do a version of the proposed 1939 building as I didn't fancy trying to scratch build the "crinkly bits" of the real onelaugh.gif

 

I've said to people in the past that the notion that they've been inspired by my efforts - careerwise in that respect - makes me wonder about them, but I've also said that if anyone tackled a better Snow Hill I'd be very glad to see itcool.gif

 

Regards, Gerry.

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Thanks Gerry

 

Sorry to hear about your injuries - i won't say accident as that would probably be to rub salt into the wound.

 

Thanks for the link to Steve Williams thread on RMWeb3 I hadn't seen those photos, and theres some useful shots there. Nor had I heard of the Kidderminster RM book so will have to try to find a copy.

 

I don't know if you've seen this site http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/268595791_1f6d0b8b4d.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/loose_grip_99/268595791/&usg=__yFO1_U-8j_Jp3HpSlA9OtRYGdIQ=&h=332&w=500&sz=140&hl=en&start=13&itbs=1&tbnid=bjwvvC1P036-sM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbirmingham%2Bsnow%2Bhill%2Bstation%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

 

One of the things that had been vexing me, was the taxi ramps either side of the station as these just seem to go nowhere. I had assumed that there must be some means of crossing the line, i.e going up one side and down the other, but my investiagtions at Birmingham Library shows that there did indeed go nowhere at all. Does make me wonder how on earth there was room to turn the cabs round and then pass each other on the way down.

 

The crinkly bits on the building didn't worry me so much as my low boredom fresh-hold, Whilst I like scratchbuilding I know what I'm like for starting things and not finishing them. So I thought bashing about a kit would give me something different and speed up construction before I had a chance to be distracted by something else.

 

Its going to be a long project in any event as I first have to build somewhere to store it - and thats dependent on my house purchase going through as referred to elsewhere on here. So the intention at the moment is to build bits at a time, whilst i hone my bricklaying skills.

 

I had given some thought to the overall roof, There's a Birmingham firm which does brass etching to order (http://www.graingeandhodder.com/) and this might be a useful firm to get some large girder sections, roof bracing and the glazed end panels made. I was thinking of using the ratio canopies for the platforms, these are really quite narrow, but a good representation of the style used.

 

The track plan will of course have to brutally cut down, i'd like to keep the crossover points on the main platforms but might have to see whether I can get these made. I've worked out that it is possible to keep the full number of platforms in a width of about 2 1/2 foot or so, but this doesn't allow for much scenery either side. And I quite fancy reinstating the traverser which I think was taken out of commission in about 1930 or so.

 

The main scenic elements would be at the station end - where the tracks will curve away under the tunnel straight into the fiddle yard and at the other end where current thinking is to treat the slow and fast lanes as two separate main lines diverging away from the station through the usual industrial landscape - unlike the real thing where I believe the tracks all stayed together- the tracks would reconverge before entering the fiddleyard, with a potential branch line running into the old Milchester station (from my previous layout) which would be located above the fiddleyard - Milchester and Brackhampton sharing the same City/town centre - just to confuse the locals.

 

Anyway thats the plan - lol (or should that be hysterical laughter)

 

Rovex

 

 

 

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Hi again,

 

Yes, saw that site, but I image search every now and then as images from private sources turn up - I guess - as more interweb-technofogies such as myself succumb to the notion of posting on such places and forums. There are some photo's of the demolition on the Birmingham History Forum, you'll have to register and log in to see them but I think they are interesting.

 

I'm a little confused over the period you intend to be modelling, the taxi issue relates to the trackplan I'm working to - that Snow Hill was designed when horse-drawn vehicles were all the thing and turning space wasn't a problem, but in fact having the bare boards to hand the classic 25' motor taxi turning circle fits - just!* But your mentioning the sector plate and platform canopies suggests you're planning is based on the final version of the GWR/BR(W) station, when the platforms continued over Great Charles Street and the taxi drives had become the additional platform faces and trackwork. Taxi's would then have used the Booking Hall accessed from near the top of Livery Street. As my plan is a hybrid the 1939 hotel is even roomier in that respect, but I'll retain the earlier layout with those as well (there is a reality-bending alternate history justifying all this - but I do know better than to publish it).

 

I'll make allowance for devising some kind of solution to the overall and 'down' bay roofs for my version, it's a long way down my 'to do' list and given how little of the platforms would be visible at all if I didn't do something else unprototypical (you can see why I've chosen a totally fictitious location name) I'll need to think about it somewhat.

 

Of course due to the space limitations at Snow Hill - even after the period I’m most concerned with - there is Moor Street just beyond the tunnel that runs under the hotel, built to handle the outlying lines to the south as well as extensive freight facilities there relating in particular to the nearby wholesale and Bull Ring retail markets, so a second station in close proximity shouldn’t be a problem and you could prioritise passenger trains on the basis of which station they use.

 

Again, I'll look forward to your progress reportscool.gif

Regards, Gerry.

 

*Captain's log - supplemental: I've added a couple of shots to my Solsbury Hiil thread as an illustration.

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