what a beaut...I knew you were working on this, but seeing it as they see if believing

how many required to complete a rake?

Thanks Tom. Going on the info in the carriage working schedule I have, the usual length is nine. I've got enough to do a pair of brakes and the two compos for now, plus shoving in a BR standard or two.

However, until someone does a fully accurate D2119 SK, I'm looking at using the official LMS diagram I have at my disposal and doing it myself..... I need loads!

I'm always surprised seeing what you guys make out of those Airfix, Dapol and Replica donor models that I struggle to part with money for.

Another silk purse.

Well, for me, they're the cheap way of my doing a lot of stock, especially with the coupling system I use. Plus, the overall cost of doing a rake can be much reduced, if you shop around . I'll be repainting some BR standards to match using my non maroon ones I still have kicking around..... A uniformly painted rake isn't what I want mind, just a whole mixture of subtly different shades should do it.

Now, I've since discovered something I'd completely overlooked. Seeing as this one is going to be part of the Manchester/Llandudno club train rake, it would have been a Cat.A maintained coach and thus carry a BR roundel under the middle window. Something I've never fully got to grips with to be honest! The whys and wherefores of the BR roundel and how it was applied......

Tim,

"until someone does a fully accurate D2119 SK"

What do you feel is wrong with the Comet version?

Alan

Tim,

"until someone does a fully accurate D2119 SK"

What do you feel is wrong with the Comet version?

Alan

Hi Alan,

The unfortunate thing about the Comet version is that it doesn't cover the vast majority of the diagram. On those, the sliding window vents are the wider-spaced ones instead of the later version as per "porthole" stock. The other similar diagrams for the composite (D2117), brake second (D2123) and first (D2121) have the correct windows. It seems rather strange to be honest!

If the correct sides for that style were indeed available, then I wouldn't be having a moan . As far as I am aware, the former M&L (now 247) sides for the same diagram are identical to the Comet ones in having the same pattern of window vents. Pity really, as these coaches were quite numerous!

Cheers,

Hi Tim,

Are you sure? My Comet D2119 has "wide" vents (as in Plate 126 of "LMS Coaches" by Jenkins & Essery). If all else fails, I suspect Bill Bedford would do you a bespoke one with whatever windows you want. He did a D2161 for me with "wide" vents rather than his usual (and Comet's) "later" version. You would have to wait, of course!

Alan

Hi Alan,

Absolutely positive. The diagram (D2119) comprises pre and post-nationalisation build. Of those, the 316 built pre-48 have the wider vents, but the 385 built post-48 are the later style, hence the majority I mention above.

Going on that, I'm probably better off doing my own, instead of paying someone else to do my dirty work for me and possibly still not getting it "right".

One of those things really......

Sorry, Tim,

I misunderstood which group the word "those" referred to in your previous post.

M13167M looks really good. All the best with the rest of the rake.

Alan