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14xx episode 5 - turning tyres


28ten

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I got a little fed up of soldering small pipe clip so I thought I would turn to a rescue job on the lathe for some relaxation.

I intend to use AGH wheels on this model, and indeed I turned a set up, but in my haste I made the tyre treads too narrow :icon_frustrated::icon_redface: which is my fault for doing precision work late at night.

I wont go into full detail of the process but the main concern is to maintain concentricity of the tyre and wheel, fortunatly the axle hole in the casting is about .181" which is under the .187" of the axle, so I have a little bit of leeway to make a corrction if it is not perfect. Anyway the first stage is to chuck up some stock to make an arbour to mount the casting on so I could remove the tread, sorry no action pics. but this gives an idea. when it is in the chuck the casting is held in place by a running mandrel, held in place with a live center so the casting is held firmly and without distorting the spokes. even so light cuts are the order of the day.

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it this leaves four castings like this

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Now to make the new tyres, first a suitable piece of cast iron was chucked up and faced/trued and then drilled 13mm

 

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This allows enough clearance for the boring tool, this is a slightly blured shot of the boring process. it is not the ideal setup as the tool has a large overhang making accurate boring impossible, but that doesnt matter at this stage as it is just being roughed out

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once it was within about 60 thou of bore to fit the castings I retracted the boring tool so that the final few passes would be accurate.

This is the situation before retracting the tool

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Finally bore out to a good fit on the casting, it is important that the fit is snug but not tight if it is too tight the casting will distort when fitting.this shot shows the casting ready for final fitting.

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Next stage will be to make the tread and part off each wheel.....probably after the weekend I shall return to the pipework tomorrow!

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Oooh, proper engineering stuff B) I'd be interested in any tips you can impart on parting off - it's something I've had a bit of trouble with, to the point that what little things I've done so far on the lathe, I've sawn them off and then faced true again - there is definitely a better way (especially if I end up doing the same sort of thing as you are here one day!)

 

I guess making a centre height gauge would be useful for setting the tool up, and getting it exactly on centre is critical?

 

Edit - Seeing your pics has reminded me that I must get a quick change toolpost for mine!

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Some nice rescue work there! Is there any reason why you used cast iron rather than steel for the new tyre? For what will end up being quite a thin tyre I'd have thought that cast iron would be a bit fragile, or was it just what was to hand?

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Adrian, it was what I had lying about and it was about the right diameter! I do find boring cast iron easier on these small lathes as well.

 

Pugsley, do you have a saddle lock fitted? If there is any movement in the gibs it will cause terrible chatter. You can also get parting tools with tct inserts and they are quite handy.I am no expert but a firm steady feed works best for me when parting off. What you want to avoid is the tool digging into the work as it will break the blade or worse. Really It is a question of practice and learning the limitations of the machine. I was used to an ml7, so I have had to learn to be a little more gentle with this machine! Even so now it has been tweaked it is capable of accurate work.

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It's now apparent why finished AGH wheels command such a high price! There's a lot of work goes into them (especially when you consider the original pattern making too), but don't they look nice! cool.gif

 

 

I hope to be able to flash out on a set of these one day, but to keep costs to a sensible level, it will probably be a simple 0-4-2 or 0-6-0 tank loco. smile.gif

 

 

Regards

 

Dan

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Nice work.

 

I'm only an amateur with lathe work but for parting off I find it's better to have the parting tool a few thou below centre height as this prevents any tendency to dig in. Many model engineers prefer a rear mounted toolpost (with inverted tool) for parting off as it is a stronger set up.

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Thanks 28ten - I'm not sure if I've got a saddle lock fitted, it's been that long since I've been near the lathe! I'm pretty sure it has though. What have you done in the way of tweaks to your lathe, out of interest?

 

Smokebox - thanks for the additional tip.

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Smokebox, good suggestion, i should have mentioned it, but I am only an amateur bodger!

 

Pugsley the saddle lock is not standard, but it is dead easy to do, I can take a pic if you like. Other mods are replace the carriage gibs and shim it rather than use the 'grub screw' method better still are tapered gibs, but i haven't got round to that yet. the bed has been checked and milled to ensure it is square and a consistent depth, on some older machined the bed is bowed, any problems here and you will never achieve good results. the other gibs have been straightened and lapped, and again simple locks fitted. on a lathe this size you really do need to be able to lock each axis depending on the operaton you are conducting, it makes an imense difference to the rigidity and accuracy.

If you are going for a QCTP I wouldn't recommend the standard one, while it does the job it is not that rigid. there are lots of good tweaks Here I will take a couple of quick shots later. i have also picked up some nice micrometers off ebay for under a tenner, currently I am on the look out for a nice height gauge. A mill will be arriving at some point as it opens up much more possibilities, the only problem is that it all takes time away from actually building anything! but then as long as i am enjoying myself what does it matter?

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Smokebox, good suggestion, i should have mentioned it, but I am only an amateur bodger!

 

Pugsley the saddle lock is not standard, but it is dead easy to do, I can take a pic if you like.

Yes please B) I'm an even more amateur bodger :lol:

 

I've found I've used my mill more than the lathe so far, but I'm sure it won't be that way for ever. The lathe is almost new, so shouldn't have the problem with a bowed bed, and was all quite accurate when I set about it with a dial gauge and test bar when I first got it. i should check it again really, as I've moved it since then.

 

Like you say, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you're enjoying it!

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How do you press the wheel centre casting into the tyre blank - is it as simple as just pressing in by hand, or do you mount it on a chuck, etc. and get the lathe to press it in?

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How do you press the wheel centre casting into the tyre blank - is it as simple as just pressing in by hand, or do you mount it on a chuck, etc. and get the lathe to press it in?

if the fit is good it should just be a gentle push-fit into the recess. anything more and the wheel center could distort, the loctite is more than sufficient to retain the center.

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