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Bits and pieces - Deltic motor fixed; P4 Turnout construction and Sons' trainset


Jon020

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I recently posted an entry on the class 47 P4 conversion and detailing project that I’ve started; this will cover some other tasks tackled in the last month or so.

 

First of all there was a problem with my Nimbus. I only discovered this when my DCC Concepts rolling road arrived, just before Christmas. Despite attempts at lubricating the gears and bearings that were accessible, I finally came to the conclusion that the problem was with the motor... quite what the problem was, I’m still not sure, but I decided that the best option was probably a swap out.

The video (apologies for quality) illustrates the problem – the motor really growled/rattled when running in the correct orientation, but quieter when it’s turned on its side... not that that’s much use in a loco.

http://www.flickr.co...s20/6801723023/

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Fortunately I had some spare motors, ok, they were installed in other locos... but a volunteer was found and it sacrificed its motor. The breakdown of Nimbus was a little fraught, but I managed the complete disassembly by taking it slowly... and keeping all bits in a small box. Once the motors were swapped, and checked both could be reassembled... picture shows donor loco and Nimbus’s chassis on the rolling road running in.

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Final loco rebuild resulted in two broken brake chains – reconstructed, and a lost bogie/body shackle which was constructed afresh. I’d had trouble fitting one of these before – it just wouldn’t stay put, so this time I put a dab of glue’n’glaze into the body recess before pushing the shackle home... they can still rotate freely, but they stay in place.

So, Nimbus is finished.

In 11 days time Nimbus will be (would be) 50! “His†(all racehorses were sires... except Meld, which was sired by Alycidon – useless deltic fact of the day) entry into traffic was 12/2/52, almost a year after Royal Scots Grey.... yes, and St Paddy was of course actually the first into traffic – that wretched headlight!!!!

 

So, what else... Well, as reported, I picked up my first P4TC/Exactoscale turnout kit at scaleforum and I set about construction in the new year; I found that I was missing the check rail components from the kit, but a call through to Len put this right and construction continued.

Whilst quite a daunting prospect looking at all the pieces in the kit for the first time... slightly reassured by the statement in the instructions which acknowledges that it might all look quite daunting, but taken methodologically, it should be seen as a logical sequence (or words to that effect). Slightly reassured, I set about this and found that indeed it was quite a pleasant modelling exercise.

The following pictures show a few stages of assembly, the sprue of some of the myriad of checkrails and a track gauge in use. Assembly completed, I ran my TTA (P4 wheels fitted) through a few times, re-checked the back-to-backs and ran again... all seemed fine.

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With some (no, alot) of guidance from Mark Tatlow I set about making the Turnout Operating Unit (TOU).

I used some copperclad fibreglass (C&L) with two short lengths of rail (Hornby did nicely – flat bottomed) soldered with about 14mm between the internal faces. The centre is isolated and a 0.5mm hole drilled for the operating mechanism link later on. At about 16mm separation two holes were drilled into the base into which two 0.6 wire lengths were inserted and their tails bent over and soldered to the underside (later filed nearly flush) The upper lengths were kept close to the rail pieces and bent over the top... cut to length and filed flat. These were then also soldered, and the outer edges filed a little to narrow their gauge. The switch rail will sit on the Hornby rail section, with the wire piece outside sat alongside the switch rail web. A thinned match stick is inserted behind the switch rail and its all soldered up (following the current soldering thread on here – and with mark’s advice using Carrs Green flux and 190 deg solder).

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This was the first soldering (track power aside) that I’d done for a long long time... and that was mostly electronics. It went well IMHO.

Similar process for the other side, with a second match inserted to support the position of the TOU. All affixed, worked fine (with wagon as before) and, and, nothing plastic melted! Result!!!!!

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Ok, so a few pictures of the result. The TOU sits lower than the timbers, but this will be recessed into the baseboard to allow access for the operating lever. A piece of card above the TOU will hide its appearance.

Still need to work out what form of cosmetic stretcher bars to employ... but I’ll work on that one once I’ve done some research.

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Finally a lengthwise shot showing that it's not to professional's standards, but as my first attempt, I'm quite happy.

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Here’s Nimbus sat atop the turnout... looking ok IMHO.

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Finally, in response to something Pete said a few days ago... yes I really am ballasting my boys train set (not really a layout)... so far, I’ve only done the tunnel entrances, so I could put these in properly and finish the scenic structure – Wickes foam board with overlay of plaster soaked kitchen towel... all a bit white at the moment... but we’ll work on that! Ballast is Carrs light grey – a very dark colour for “light greyâ€, but goes down far easier than the woodland scenics stuff I used before, although its appearance is perhaps not quite so finescale... but more than suitable for the Hornby track layout... I might mix some other colours in later to lighten it – but some paint will help too.

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So, that will do for a now. A slightly varied entry... but now I feel I’m up to date.

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Sorry for no text - doesn't seem to be uploading properly. I'm trying a third edit now

right - text in, now to edit it

Sorry about that folks - it might have been my attemtp to link the video in - now just added as a link to flickr - and seems to work.

Now to sit and relax a bit - scottish water needed to ease the residual discomfort caused by this morning's root canal treatment; nice dentist, very patient, although I didn't appreciate quite how big a job it was.

I ache therefore I am, thank you Marvin.

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Hey Jon,

 

The point looks great... well done, I like the end-on view; the tiebar looks a treat... there's a lot of talk about tiebars recently (both here and on the S4 Society Forum), so if you could get a bit closer with the lens, I would appreciate it :)

 

Oh...and Nimbus... smashing. Lots of heavyweight vibes there; even in 4mm scale.

 

Cheers

 

Jan

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Another nice entry Jon - always good to read.

 

Glad the Deltic is running sweet again...and its good to see it another time.

 

Congratulations on your first turnout...looks damn fine to me and the detail of the TOU looks nicely conceived.

 

I still think you have your work cut out with your sons ballasting...but it does look better with it. Assume you remembered to place your catch point somewhere to offset that gentle ramp :P

 

Hope that 'scottish water' is having the desired effect...with one turnout done already, your 2013 exhibition layout has already got its nose in front of mine... :lol:

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Hi Jon, a varied entry indeed. That point does look good. I'm feeling rather envious of the deep timbers, they really have a nice bulky look about them, compared to what I'm working with right now.

 

I always get confused when Nimbus is mentioned, as it means something else to a Dane. I thought you had a side hobby :-)

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Hi Jon, a varied entry indeed. That point does look good. I'm feeling rather envious of the deep timbers, they really have a nice bulky look about them, compared to what I'm working with right now.I always get confused when Nimbus is mentioned, as it means something else to a Dane. I thought you had a side hobby :-)

 

Mikkel, morning, sorry, yes I probably ought to clarify this. I think the origin dates back to its religious conotations, and is often the name give to the Halo in paintings of the saintly. It has therefore been used many times... recording companies, planets in star trek, computer games, motorbikes, clouds and at least two racehorses. Oh, and up to date - the name of the big battlespaceship in Futureama. The Nimbus I modelled was named after NImbus V a british thoroughbred racehorse foaled in 1946 and winner of the 1949 Epsom Derby, which incidentally was the first "photo finish". Released into traffic in 1952, Nimbus was the only Class 55 to be based at Finsbury Park (34G) for the whole of its working life, and, with St Paddy, was the first to be withdrawn in 1978. To me.... well, I just remember seeing NIMBUS hurtling through Finsbury Park station with a train bound for "the cross".. in what must have been about 1977... leaving a lasting impression on an 8 year old.

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Hi Jon and others,

 

I can't post pictures on someone else's blog, but if you look at the final photograph of post no 42 of http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/17602-a-highland-miscellany/page__st__25, you will see my version of this TOU. The concept is that the rail that you have used Jon is a little longer, so it sticks out beyond the stockrail (the main running line). It is also snugly tight to this and, therefore, the switch rail is kept at the appropriate height relative to the stockrail at all times.

 

On an exactoscale turnout, this is probably not a problem anyway, but it can be where the switch assembly is made up from scratch. Apologies Jon if this is what you have done, it is not that easy to photograph or read photogrpahs of these as they are by definition hidden!

 

I think you may be right that the switch throw is a little tight - you will probably want to open this a little.

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Mark,

Thanks for the advice, although I'm not sure I understood it all... I'm still new. The hight of the switch rail is level to the stock rail... so hopefully it's ok. Yes the gap is relatively tight, but I think that in the close up photo the switch rail was lifted a little, so the gap looks tighter than it actually is.

Maybe this is too fine ... well, I suppose I was headed for finescale.. if I've overshot, then a critically damped response is often the better way to precision ;-D

I've got to get the soldering iron out for the droppers and futher elecs... so I could change the TOU if necessary...

 

As for photos on here - you need to have the photo elsewhere, grab the http and then use the "add link" button and put the http in (it used to be the bb code... but that doesn't seem to do it now). I upload to flickr and grab the http then pop it in here - seems to work.

 

Thanks for the support

 

Jon

 

Oh, and some snow here now .. has it reached you?

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Hi Jon020, been having a look through this thread after seeing your nice comment on my latest post (P4 11), was just wandering why you use a sleper dipped into the baseboard for the turnout stretcher bar thing. Is it mainly an issue of strength and reliability? I need to do my staight stock rail, check rail and then I just need ot do a blade linkage for completion. Seems this area is a minefield! :/

 

I'm still faffing with the loft and it wont be any time soon before I have another layout so I might keep the point safe until later, but I would still like to do a good job. Any ideas mate?

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Hi Knuckles. I dropped a comment on your blog, so hopefully this wil make sense. Mark helped me out in the TOU method. This way, the copper clad strip is fixed to the two switch rails and keeps them nicely rigid. The stip will (isolated in teh middle) have a hole in its middle through which a wire can be inserted underneath for the operating mechanism - be that a point motor or slidy switch type - just visible in picture 4 on page 8 of Scalefour News No. 169 (I'm guessing you have this - you did say you'd joined recently - or am I having a senior moment?) the reason it's lower is that once installed, the TOU can sit below the basebaord level and you can place a piece of thin card between the top of the TOU and the turnout and add some ballast and hey-presto, the TOU is hidden. I've still to add some cosmetic tie bars - but these can be "scale" as they don't need to work or carry any load.

 

I'll be a while until I "site" my turnout too - but one thing I've learnt is that there's no need to rush... take it easy, .... with P4.

 

Jon

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