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Signals for Sherton Abbas part 3 The bouncing arms!


wenlock

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Once the construction of the signals had been completed, I needed to install them on the layout. At a recent local show I had seen Derek Mundy demonstrate working signals that had a rather nice "bounce action" to the semaphore arms when they were returned to danger. They were controlled by a module from G F controls and powered by miniature servos. I was really impressed with the setup so decided to use this method of operation for my signalling. I placed an order with Geoff and Frank at G F controls http://www.gfcontrols.co.uk/index.php/semaphore-signals/ for a pair of dual operating modules, one for my Platform Starter and one for the twin arm Siding Signal. Servos were ordered from Giant Shark http://www.giantshark.co.uk/sector/111/servo

 

Installing and wiring all these components under the baseboards was not something I was really looking forward to and having a dodgy shoulder certainly doesn't add to the experience! One of my pals is a keen narrow gauge modeller and I tagged along with him to visit the Narrow Gauge South West show at Shepton Mallet http://ngsw.org.uk/exhibition/ngsw2015/ It was a really good show, some of the scale/gauge combinations are remarkable and well worth a look. One of the stands at the show was occupied by Jurassic Models http://jurassic.laurell.nu/content.html who produce laser cut 16mm and 7/8th scale wagons and components. Amongst the goodies on display was a rather ingenious kit of parts that once assembled made a signal mount and accompanying socket that could be fitted into a layout baseboard. The idea of being able to mount the signals, install all the servos and get the linkages to work at the bench rather than under the layout seemed like a brilliant idea and a worthwhile investment!

 

Jurassic Models signal mounting kit

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The components fit together very well and the interlocking tabs hold everything together accurately. The instructions suggest using PVA wood glue to assemble the kit, but I simply slotted the bits together, checked it was all square and then applied cyanoacrylate to the joints.

 

Assembled components

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Signal mount inserted into baseboard socket

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Once the components of the kit had been assembled the "socket" needed fitting into the baseboard. The kit includes a template which is positioned onto the layout and used to work out exactly where the baseboard needs to be cut. Once the position had been marked onto the baseboards, holes were drilled at each corner and an old hacksaw blade was used to remove the remaining wood. The socket part of the mounting kit was then glued into position using PVA glue and allowed to dry overnight.

 

Hole cut into baseboard top

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Socket mounted into baseboard

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The servos were attached to the mounting plate and linkages fabricated from 0.5mm brass wire. The servos were connected to the control board and then adjustments to the arm position could be made. One of the many clever features of the G F control board is the ability to set the board in "safe" mode. This mode sets the servos at the half way position, enabling mechanical linkages to be made with the signal arms set at 45 degrees. Once this datum has been set the "safe mode" of the control board is turned off and the signal arm position can be adjusted incrementally to the danger/clear positions using the rotary knobs on the control board.

 

Servos attached to mounting plate and G F control board

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The ability to simply withdraw the signal and it's mount from the socket in the baseboard by just unplugging the servo lead from the control board makes maintenance much easier then struggling underneath the layout. An added benefit is being able to remove the signals and store them safely while I'm working on the rest of the layout. There are few things in my opinion more annoying than writing off a signal with a stray elbow during ballasting or completing scenery!

 

The control board requires a12 volt DC feed to its centre terminals and the rest are wired to switches that I've placed along side the point controls.

 

Here are a couple of clips of the finished signals in action.

 

 

 

All in all I'm very impressed by this method of signal control and would definitely recommend these products to anyone thinking of installing working signals on their layout.

 

I'd like to thank Geoff And Frank from GF controls who were both very helpful and happy to give advice about installing their control module.

 

 

 

As a complete aside to this topic I made a pilgrimage to the Brunel exhibition in London http://www.brunel-museum.org.uk/ On route from the nearest tube station I was rather taken by this establishment!

 

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Best wishes

 

Dave

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  • RMweb Gold

Top to bottom, left to right ;)

Hi Mike you may have to clarify!  I thought the top arm was controlling the exit from the siding and the bottom arm was controlling the exit from the loop.  Do I take it that I've got this completely wrong and that the signal is actually there to indicate whether the route is set across the slip into either the main line or into the dead end spur by the bridge abutment?  If this is the case, what controls the exit of trains coming down the private siding onto the loop, or stock on the loop waiting to proceed down the main?  As I said when we met "signalling isn't my strong point" but I'm very keen to learn! :-)

 

Best wishes

 

Dave

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  • RMweb Gold

Very interesting Dave, and not that costly either (their turntable unit also looks like a good idea, although that is in a different price league). We await the Stationmaster's response with nerves twitching - if there is an issue I hope it won't be too hard to address.

 

You've got to model that pub!

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Very interesting Dave, and not that costly either (their turntable unit also looks like a good idea, although that is in a different price league). We await the Stationmaster's response with nerves twitching - if there is an issue I hope it won't be too hard to address.

 

You've got to model that pub!

Thanks Mikkel, yes I'm waiting with baited breath for wisdom from the Stationmaster! I don't really know why I find signalling so difficult to understand, but despite reading loads about the subject I'm still pretty clueless!

 

Glad you like the pub!

 

Dave

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  • RMweb Gold

Dave,

 

The signal which you have modelled - rather nicely - is effectively a splitting signal (junction signal) because it has two arms of equal status one above the other.  In such a signal the topmost arm reads to the route furthest to the left and the lowest arm reads to the route furthest to the right.  Thus in you location the top arm reads to the spur and the lower arm reads out onto the main line.

 

So we now have to solve the little problem you might have created for yourself - perhaps.  There are two solutions -

 

1.  not entirely elegant but we simply assume the signal applies to both lines running into the slip.  The signal is not really in the best place to convey that message to a casual observer but it's a possibility and prototype examples did exist.

 

2. We assume - as I did - that the signal applies to the line from which the train departed and in view of space constraints you put in a ground signal for the other line (or you do that the opposite way round).

 

No.2 is probably the better solution but to get the best answer you'll need to remind me - perhaps with a  small layout sketch - the purpose of the two lines converging on the double slip.p

 

Hope this helps rather than confounds.  (BTW I can't remember the detail  but I thought we sorted this at Taunton?)

 

regards,  Mike

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Very nice Dave.  I do like the bounce action of the signals.

 

 

You've got to model that pub!

 

Mikkel,

Dave might need to alter the date on the signage at the top of the building though :-)

 

Ian

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  • RMweb Gold

Very nice Dave.  I do like the bounce action of the signals.

 

 

 

Mikkel,

Dave might need to alter the date on the signage at the top of the building though :-)

 

Ian

Thanks Ian, Glad you like the bounce! I've got a feeling that there may need to be a few amendments/additions in the near future!

 

Dave

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Hi Again Mike:-)   Thanks for those options, at least now I've got my head around the fact that the signal is indicating the route setthrough the slip!

 

Here's a quick sketch of the track plan along with a plan view of my card mock up.


 

Track plan for Sherton Abbas


Card mock up of Sherton Abbas


 

I think option two is the way to go.  I've got no problem moving the siding signal  if you think it needs it, the beauty of the mounting system is that it just involves moving the socket.

 

I'm also happy to build any other signals that you deem to be necessary, I enjoyed making the other two:-)

 

I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts
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  • RMweb Gold

I like the signals and the mechanism. I have been pointed towards Megapoints (www.loolee.org) and intend trying one of their sevo controllers.

 

Don

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  • RMweb Gold

I like the signals and the mechanism. I have been pointed towards Megapoints (www.loolee.org) and intend trying one of their sevo controllers.

 

Don

Hi Don, glad you like the signals:-) I've just been looking at the Megapoints site, there's some interesting stuff on there. I'll be interested to hear how you get on with their controller.

 

Dave

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  • RMweb Gold

Very nice Dave.  I do like the bounce action of the signals.

 

 

 

Mikkel,

Dave might need to alter the date on the signage at the top of the building though :-)

 

Ian

 

Ah yes, a little modellers license might backdate it 10 years or so. I think Sherton Abbas is 1907?

 

 

I'm also happy to build any other signals that you deem to be necessary, I enjoyed making the other two:-)

 

 

How kind of you Dave, I'm thinking of modelling Paddington so that would be a big help ;-)

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  • RMweb Gold

Ah yes, a little modellers license might backdate it 10 years or so. I think Sherton Abbas is 1907?

 

 

If only I had room on the layout for that pub! Lovely as it is I think it would look a little out of place in the rural idyll of Sherton Abbas:-)

 

 

How kind of you Dave, I'm thinking of modelling Paddington so that would be a big help ;-)

I'd be delighted to do Paddington's signals for you, as long as you build all the stock and trackwork, set it in 1905 and model in 7mm!:-)
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