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Stourpayne Marshall - 7Fs


Barry Ten

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7Fs are vital for any representation of the S&D so plans have long been afoot to make sure the layout can call on a number of these fine, versatile locomotives.

 

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Shown above are  a Bachmann example, and a DJH one of which more anon. Two more are in the works - another Bachmann, and a large-boilered DJH.

 

Back when I started thinking about the layout, the Bachmann model was a distant gleam in the future, with the two main options besides scratchbuilding being

the DJH kit and the Gibson one. I think I may have seen a resin kit for the 7F body on a Hornby 8F chassis at some point as well.

 

I discounted the Gibson one as it wasn't in production at the time, and to be honest an all-brass loco would have been a bit of a stretch for my skills. But I'd

built a couple of DJH locos so I thought might be able to make a fist of their kit, even though I'd never built anything with valve gear or more than three

axles!

 

Fate intervened, however, with the option to buy a ready-made small-boilered 7F on the second hand market, along with an unbuilt kit for the large boiler

variant. The unweathered loco in the above shot, 53808 (but we'll come to that!) is the DJH one and it turned out to be built to what I'd call a reasonable, if

not brilliant, standard. The smokebox door was crooked, and the front bit of the tender isn't square-on with the sides. Other than that, though, the main

body and cab were OK, and paint job was fine. Running was a bit of a mixed bag, unfortunately. Initially it wouldn't go through the tighter route of Peco

curved turnouts, due to insufficient side-play. But this turned out to be easily resolved by adjusting the main gear's position on the axle, which was too

far over to the one side, effectively giving the loco lots of side-play in one direction but not much in the other. Pickups seemed OK. The loco didn't run

all that smoothly, though, and I wasn't happy with the Portescap gearbox/motor as supplied, which was horribly noisy. I fitted a decoder, ran the loco for

a few days, then decided I just couldn't get on with the Portescap's constant graunchy whirring. Luckily, I had a DJH AM10 gearbox going spare. I managed

to swap it in fairly easily without having to remove the motion bracket or cylinders, aided by the drive being onto the third axle. If it had been onto the

first, it would have been a far tougher job. I was pleased to see that the running was now much quieter and steadier. But with that improvement, I became

aware of a tight-spot which had been masked by all the other issues before. It looked as if one of the crosshead spindles hadn't been trimmed to length

properly, with the result that it was clonking the front of the cylinder! To cut a long story short I managed to shorten the spindle and was pleased to see

all but a small residual tight-spot which I haven't yet diagnosed, but which disappears above an absolute crawl. It might be slight non-concentricity of the 

gear, rather than anything to do with the motion. But I must admit, were I building this loco myself, I would have hoped to eliminate both these problems 

before continuing. However, the main thing is that the loco will now plod around with a nice goods train which it couldn't do before. I also added extra

pickups to the front bogie, eliminating a slight tendency to stall on occasion, probably due to an over-rigid chassis (again, with mine, i open out one or more

of the bearing sets to allow a tiny degree of axle float).

 

So we've got another smooth-running 7F to join its Bachmann stablemate? Well, not quite! As far as I understand things, 53808 was one of the later series of

locos which were initially fitted with large boilers, of which some reverted to the small boiler, but always with the left hand drive. However, the DJH boiler casting

is for the earlier, right-hand drive series, with the associated plumbing on the right side of the boiler. At the very least, then, again as I understand it, 53808

is an inappropriate number, so I've tentatively earmarked 53801 for this loco. But the fun doesn't end there, because the reversing lever has been fitted to the

left hand side, not the right! Unfortunately, then, it isn't going to be a case of simple renumbering, but some remedial work on the body itself. How easy it will

be to remove and re-fit the reversing lever remains to be seen!

 

These problems aside, the DJH model sits quite nicely next to the Bachmann one, I think. The DJH boiler details are poorly defined, and there's a slight different of

opinion about the degree of drop on the front of the running plate, with the Bachmann one being more accurate, but it's surprising how a smooth-running mechanism

can make a model go up in one's estimation. I look forward to sorting out the details, renumbering and weathering this one. Then it'll be onto the large-boilered 7F,

which Bachmann have never done, which should add a bit of variety.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nice job bringing an abandoned old model back to proper working order, Al. There should be a medal for such services to society.

 

But four 7Fs? The board are worried! :)

 

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It's five 7Fs if I include the limited edition Bachmann one in Prussian blue! But that one only gets to run as a treat, as it's out of period with all the rest (not to mention, in a fictitious livery!). You're right, though, in that the layout doesn't really need more than two at a time if I want to have a representative selection of other typical S&D locos as well.

 

More work on the DJH one last night, which I'll probably write up in a separate post. I swapped the reversing lever from left to right hand (big job), as well as re-stripping the chassis to finally get at that lingering tight spot. Now it's a case of adding some of the missing boiler detail.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Barry Ten said:

re-stripping the chassis to finally get at that lingering tight spot.

 

Did you solve it? I'm not good at finding the reason for tight spots, it takes me ages. I suppose it helps to be systematic about it.

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Just now, Mikkel said:

 

Did you solve it? I'm not good at finding the reason for tight spots, it takes me ages. I suppose it helps to be systematic about it.

 

Sort of. There was a point where the connecting rod on one side was touching the motion bracket, so i filed away a bit more clearance on the bracket (just a 

fraction of a mm) until I couldn't feel any resistance when free-wheeling the chassis. But there's still a bit of cyclic resistance at very low speeds, which can only

be due to the gearing, such as a slight non-concentricity in the driving gear. It disappears above a crawl so it's not really a problem, but more importantly, there's

nothing I can do about it except lubricate and run the model until it either goes away or doesn't! I think one can go down a rabbit hole of chasing these small

issues if one isn't careful; often the best approach is to put the model away for a month or two, and the next time you run the model you've not only forgotten

about any niggles but you don't notice them again!

 

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