Caley739
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The Princess Royal pacifics could also appear in Aberdeen.
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In the 1950s early 1960s the 2 overnight Euston to Perth trains were worked between Crewe and Perth by Crewe North engines and men. These engines had a long lay over at Perth until they returned south on overnight trains. Unsurprisingly Perth running foremen were tempted to use these engines on fill in jobs to Aberdeen or Glasgow or even Edinburgh. My understanding is that the LMR authorities did not approve of this practice because the softer Scottish coal available at Perth had a lower calorific value than the hard Staffordshire coal available at Crewe. Thus appearances at Aberdeen if not routine were not really unusual.
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In the 1950s the 2 overnight trains Euston to Perth were worked by Crewe North engines and men between Crewe and Perth. The engines would lay over at Perth until their return south on overnight trains. Perhaps unsurprisingly Perth running foremen were tempted to use these engines on their long layover on fill in jobs to Glasgow or Aberdeen.My understanding is that the LMR did not approve of this practice because the softer Scottish coal available at Perth had a lower calorific value than the Staffordshire hard coal available at Crewe.
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Reporting number W55 was a Euston-Wolverhampton service.
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17 is an ex Highland Railway Castle class in LMS days since it appears to have a shed plate on the smokebox door. These plates were introduced on the Northern Division in 1935. The coaches look like ex Midland Railway.
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As far as I know class A or B freight was never an LMS term. Their classification for fitted freight was FF1 or FF2.
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WCML usually changed at Crewe or Carlisle, Maybe Rugby and Preston to a lesser extent. North of the border trains split or joined at Symington and Carstairs.
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Thompson Pacifics & BR Express Blue
Caley739 replied to AJW98Productions's topic in UK Prototype Questions
Alex I see no reason stated but it seems to be based on the driving wheel diameter of 6ft2in and BR classified all of the A2 variants as Mixed Traffic locos rather than Passenger locos. The classifications were A1/1 - 7P later 8P, A2 - 7MT, A2/1 - 6MT, A2/2 -7MT, A2/3 - 7MT. The earlier Gresley A3 was 7P and A4 7P later 8P. The Peppercorn A1 was 7P later 8P. From looking at locos from the other 3 companies it seems driving wheel diameter of 6ft 6in or greater was required to qualify for the "P" classification. Tom -
Thompson Pacifics & BR Express Blue
Caley739 replied to AJW98Productions's topic in UK Prototype Questions
Locomotives of The LNER Part 2A by RCTS is generally considered a fairly reputable source. According to it the only Thompson Pacific to carry BR blue livery was A1/1 60113 from January 1950 to August 1952. His A2/3 Pacifics never qualified for BR blue and all went from LNER green to BR Brunswick green. Similarly his A2/1 and A2/2 never qualified for BR blue and all seem to have gone from Black to LNER green to BR Brunswick green. Tom -
How about the Crosti boiler Riddles 2-10-0s ?
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This could be an example of horses loaded in a cattle truck. I'm sure I've read somewhere that horses are nervous travellers and liable to panic if they can see the passing scenery from a moving vehicle, especially if they are not facing the direction of travel. To prevent this when in a cattle truck the tarp was used to keep them calm rather than to keep the rain out. I wish I could quote a reference for this idea. There was a train in the timetable for many years that left Crewe for Perth about 9.30am that frequently conveyed horseboxs or special cattle vans as leading vehicles. I think this a photograph of that train.
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Have you tried The Stephenson Locomotive Society? From membership of 50 ish years ago I recall that they had production lists for all of the British loco builders. I'm uncertain of the present position but probably not available online.
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The most unusual combination I remember was in 1964 at Craigenhill summit during a Sunday relaying operation where down trains had to reverse through the crossover because of single line working. A late running Euston-Glasgow sleeper appeared with a Thompson A2 Pacific as train engine, either 60512 or 60522 recently allocated to Polmadie, and the pilot a Kingmoor Clan Pacific, number long forgotten.
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British Locomotive Catalogue Volume 6 by Bertram Baxter has some very limited dimension details pages 40 and 42. Long out of print but second hand copies not too diffciult to find.
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For something really basic,how about the two road shed at Glasgow Buchanan Street with just a turntable, inspection pits, and rudimentary coaling bench. It may not have been much used in later days but was still present at closure of the station in the mid 1960s. Tom Robertson