I've read the whole 5-page thread and come up with my ow conclusions. that said, after watching the video where SDJR7F88 test drives the new Hatton's original class 66 (with sure sound and rail rumble), i can only conclude its an awesome product. that said, competition is good for the consumer. Bachmann will have no option but to up their game. https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=340 Remember the Hornby documentary where rails of sheffield produced a terrier? Their terrier has nothing to do with Hornby (on that not can you not order from Hornby direct? thus they are too a manufacturer and re-seller? What did Hornby do - nothing, they had it under control. It makes me think their is a deeper issue than just Hatton's producing a train.