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The blue card looks ace....might I ask where you sourced that from?

Thank you Keith, though I can't see the R610 in the diagram?

Ok that's interesting thanks chaps....

I am having to move my steelworks layout into a tiny room and thus am starting again - pretty well room size is 170x170 with a bit extra down one side. I'm pondering several options to make use of the space, one of which involves a stand-alone figure of 8 located inside the outer end to end loop (see photo for clarification) so I can run a roundy roundy inside of a shunting end to end. Most of the figure 8 would be hidden inside a huge steelworks building with the shunter and its wagons appearing and reappearing as it moves round the figure 8. Obviously I could create something with flexitrack and a crossing, but given the tightness of the curves I wonder if I could avoid "dog-leg" kinks in the flexitrack joins by just using set-track. There's no points on it so I don't see a real need for flexitrack. However, having played around on a computer modeller it doesn't appear that 1st radius set-track with a crossing fits together to make a figure-8, which surprised me as I'd have thought it would be easily feasible using set-track as loads of train sets for kids must have done 1st radius figure-8s, but I can't make it work. Is there 1st radius set-track solution? Apologies if I'm missing the obvious but I'm relatively new to the hobby.

Well it's on its way back for a refund. Seller was fine about it, which he should be, though he did ask if I could sort it myself, to which I said "not for the money I paid for a new model". I've been in the hobby for a year and I think I've had to return four new locos so far for refund due to running, or rather non-running issues. Seems to be quite a high attrition rate for what should be a simple product. I wonder how many other consumer industries have that sort of unserviceability record? Pretty frustrating.

Quite agree.

Because as someone relatively new to the hobby, I read a lot about people making adjustments to locos, even new ones, so that they run properly. If this was a case of a simple lube and it'd be solved I might do that, but it might not solve it and then I'd be invalidating any request for refund.

I think I could solve it, though am not entirely sure, but my point is, should I expect to have to given that it is a new model?

I'm told that mine is a later model as it has "Super Detail" on the box.

Hello, I bought a Hornby EWS liveried Class 08 new from an Ebay trader and received it two days ago. It's a lovely loco but the motor is tripping my decibel meter. Way louder than any other loco I have and doesn't sound right. Should I accept the noise and try to sort it out, or send it back as faulty? Should we expect locos to work perfectly when new? If it was anything else, I'd send it straight back, but am I right in thinking there's a culture/acceptance that we should try and sort out less than perfect locos, even when they are brand new?

Thank you John I'll have a look - thing is though, and presuming it involves a modification if I did find a solution - should I expect to have that from a new model and then have to "mend" it myself?

Thank you yes it's the one with Super Detail written on it. It really is a beautiful loco, but I've just gone and run it again and it is ridiculously whirry.....whereas my other locos, as I now have come to expect being the usual, expected noise, make practically no noise. It's not a buzz this is making - it's a cogs moving kind of whirr.

I paid and just received a "new" Hornby Class 08 from an Ebay trader/seller. It was sold new. Looking at the loco it looks new, though the packaging looks old design and so I suspect it's quite an old model - it's EWS livery. It stuttered and started and eventually seems to be running fine but the motor is whining like I don't know what the whole way round the layout. If I compare to my other shunters, Janus and Class 05, they make practically no motor noise. My question is, therefore, and speaking as a relative newbie, should I return the loco for a refund, as I just don't see that the motor noise is normal?

Hmmmmm, I honestly don't know, other than I'm in comms with Ebay who say this is their problem.

The seller in this case is a UK seller. And I still haven't got my money back.

I also contacted the seller and said to him that given he is aware of this glitch, and it is really a seller/Ebay issue to resolve (even though the onus for a refund apparently falls on the buyer to sort it out) then he should be warning potential buyers in advance of them purchasing. He has since added the following to all his shop items. PLEASE NOTE THERE IS A GLITCH IN EBAY WHEREBY THEY ARE ADDING "20% TAX" TO YOUR INVOICE !!!AFTER!!! YOU HAVE COMMITTED TO BUY AN ITEM, SOMETHING TO DO WITH BREXIT, THEY HAVE PUBLICLY ADMITTED (GOOGLE IT) THAT THERE IS A FAULT IN THEIR SOFTWARE AND ARE WORKING TO CORRECT IT. THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME, I DON'T GET THIS OVERPAYMENT. PLEASE TAKE PITY ON A POOR HARRASSED SELLER AND MAKE YOUR PURCHASE IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT EBAY HAVE PUBLICLY SAID THEY WILL BE REFUNDING SUCH OVERPAYMENTS. THEY HAVE NO RIGHT IN LAW TO DO THIS.

It wasn't in this case, and the seller (a shop not a private individual) has had several instances of this so he says.

Hi Rich, that is exactly what I am saying. Below is the response from the seller when I informed them. Amazingly enough I got through to Ebay and the person I spoke to said it is Ebay who should not have charged this and I now have to wait for them to confirm whether I will get a refund. She said I should get a refund. Hello, in connection with your recent purchase from me, it has just been brought to my attention that over the last three or four days Ebay has been adding “20% tax” to your invoice AFTER you have comitted to buy!!! (Nice!). You may or may not have noticed this overpayment, but it now seems eBay has a serious glitch in it's software which is adding 20% to your bill, apparently it's something to do with Brexit. You can google this problem here … https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Seller-Central/Checkout-adding-20-even-for-buyers-in-the-UK-I-am-in-the-UK/td-p/6835853?nobounce= This issue is nothing to do with me, I don't get this additional money. Ebay have publicly said they are working to resolve the issue and will be refunding such overpayments, (but I wouldn't like to say when). They have absolutely no right in law to be doing this. Your item has either been recently posted, or will be posted shortly, but unfortunately you will have to wait an unknown amount of time for a refund from Ebay, who, as I said earlier, are in possession of this extra payment. This situation is entirely outside my control. Please feel free to harrass Ebay. Please do not submit a request to cancel the sale. Yours

As mentioned though this is a UK seller. Apparently it is a glitch. Ebay should not be adding VAT, but have done, so it's not the seller's fault. That said, I think, given that the seller has told me this has happened on a few of his recent sales, that he ought to be warning buyers in advance.

Yes I understand that but this is a UK seller.

Yesterday I bought a loco from an Ebay shop for the item list price of £114.95 but was charged £143.04 because Ebay added VAT to the item. It was a UK seller. I understand that this is Brexit related but it is an Ebay glitch, which they know about. I now have to claim the money back from Ebay. I would not have bought the item had it been listed at £143.04. Just a warning, therefore, for you to watch out when you buy at the moment. I clicked through Paypal without even thinking about it when I bought, and only noticed today.

Defo interested in the Hunslet and the Torpedo wagon

Are you buying the stock Janus and then modifying the paintjob?

Haha knew it ref the PTAs Also if any of your Janus are needing a new layout home, PM me.

It's me being a novice modeller.....I've looked at different ways to create a concrete colour and haven't found it yet. There's be about 20 layers on my structure before I get it probably