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  1. From the summer 1954 Carriage Working Book, the basic sets were BT-CL-BT or BT-CL-T-BT with a further T as a timetabled strengthener during July, August and early September. DMUs from 1958? I think I have a 1930's carriage working book somewhere, I'll have a look for it but I doubt they'll be much different. Both books are from NERA http://www.ner.org.uk/assets/NERA Book & Publications - Combined List 22nd March 2019.pdf
  2. A 158 was on the 1020 ex Middlesbrough/1158 ex Whitby on Friday 26 July. It looked well filled and there were plenty of people waiting to join at Whitby .
  3. After 43 years of working with them, I would say that you do have to treat Ordnance Survey maps with a degree of caution. That statement isn’t intended to denigrate the OS, either body or the surveyors, a number of whom I have counted as friends or former colleagues, but I do think you need a certain amount of knowledge to interpret what you see. Firstly, the Ordnance Survey map is a topographical map, it is intended to show physical features – it is not, and never was, intended to show property boundaries (s12 Ordnance Survey Act 1841). It does, of course, show physical features which are property boundaries, but that isn’t it’s intended purpose. Next, the maps show physical features within the limitations of scale, and to a specified degree of tolerance. For instance, in 95% of instances on a 1:2500 scale map, a distance of 100m in the real world will be shown as between 98.1m and 101.9m on the map, so a tolerance of nearly 2%. The first 1:2500 maps were surveyed on a County basis (hence Rowsley 17D’s plan above is from the Derbyshire series, map XV.13). The were originally surveyed by men with brass and wooden theodolites, and brass and steel chains. Their survey reports were then hand plotted and examined before being printed. The important thing is that they were done by individual surveyors, plotters and examiners and, no matter how stringent the instructions and examination, individuality did show through. I have seen first edition maps where, say, crossovers between running lines are nicely shown with their curved lines, and others where they are simply shown as two straight lines. But they should show the actual position of the lines with a decent amount of lineside detail. Paras 99-116 in these old instructions https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/docs/ebooks/historical-instructions-to-field-examiners.pdf give some idea. Revision is also a major issue to consider as RailWest says. A map may be revised because either ‘it’s time’ or because there has been some significant change in the area covered by the map. Unfortunately, the surveyor may not have noticed that the railway line has changed, especially where change is in an area difficult to see from adjacent streets etc. Or it may been more important to survey a new road or shopping centre then record the addition/removal of a siding. Even aerial photography doesn’t solve this problem – an area may be in shadow, or the photographs mis-interpreted. And then there’s the issue of your chosen site crossing a sheet join (or worse still, being in the corners of four sheets) where the revision dates aren’t consistent. If you’ve obtained a railway plan, you may not be interested in the corresponding OS map, but if you do compare them, you’ll probably find they don’t match – the OS map will be drawn on the Cassini (pre WW2) or Mercator (post WW2) projection, to the tolerances noted above whereas a large scale plan of, say, a station, will be very accurate., so they won’t exactly match. BUT, having said all that, the OS is still probably one of, if not the, best mapping institution in the world.
  4. My memories are 1967 onwards (I can just remember my mother buying me a ticket at Lealholm station and putting me on a green DMU to be picked up by Father in Middlesbrough). The dated services I remember would have been 1740-ish to Newcastle and 2109 SO Middlesbrough, both of which were limited stop after Grosmont. On Sundays, there was quite a gap between the last arrival and first departure of the three trains so the shortest might have gone into 4 (no carriage sidings at Bog Hall by then). That second photo in your post is the scene I was trying to envisage in my mind (having walked down that platform over a thousand times) about the platform number signs – so thank you! Memory jogged. I also think the chap on the left, pushing the barrow, was the regular porter/escort/minder on the school train. His face, I can see, but his name…….
  5. I remember those signals as well, they were both ‘planted’ in No.1 platform. No.20 being almost in the middle (width-wise) As to platforms 3 and 4, there was a restriction on Mark 1 coaches using those platforms – you couldn’t put Mark 1s into either if the other was occupied. I guess they were OK for 57ft stock. This from BR Standard Coaching Stock restrictions (1961) Whitby Station. If on No. 3 Platform Line, No. 4 Platform Line to be blocked, and vice versa. Platform 3 was still there in mid-1959 according to a dated photo in one of John Hunt’s Past and Present books on the NYMR. I don’t think platform 4 was renumbered to 3, My sketch of Town signal box diagram made in the 1970’s shows it as 4. Platform 4 seemed rarely used in later days; my memory suggests dated and Sunday services? Stuart
  6. I'm away from my books at the moment so can't check, but I'm pretty sure Reedsmouth's J36 had a turn to Scotsgap on the two daily passenger trains. I also think the J36 worked the fortnightly SO passenger Kielder/Keilder - Hexham and late night return until Reedsmouth shed closed. Stuart
  7. I think you are right and it's been ordered. Many thanks for the pointer. Stuart Thanks for the info. Stuart
  8. What is the DVD you mention, please? I've tried googling it without success. I too was a Grosmont resident back in the 60s/70s, using the line to get to school in Whitby, and definitely remember class 104 DMUs.
  9. 1966/67 WTT - 3L16 0500 Parcels from Preston, Kendal 0638/0643, Windermere 0703. 3L17 1120 Parcels from Lancaster, Oxenholme 1200/1212, Kendal 1217/1227, Windermere 1245 3L85 ECS (Vans) Windermere 1300, Kendal 1318, to work 1A65 1A65 SX 1820 Parcels Kendal to Kilburn High Road 1967 Summer WTT 6L25 SX Carnforth 0700, Kendal 0742/1025, Burneside R, Windermere 1050. 6L24 SX Carnforth 1338, Milnthorpe 1358/1430, Oxenholme 1446/1505, Kendal 1515/1612, Burneside 1620. 6P56 SO Kendal 1210, Milnethorpe 1235/1310, Carnforth 1327 8P56 SX Windermere 1240, Burneside 1300/1335, Kendal 1345/1444, Carnforth 1516 (6P56 from Kendal) 6P58 SX Burneside 1655, Kendal 1705/1735, Carnforth 1810 Plus loco hauled passenger and scheduled light engine workings to/from Carnforth MPD. Hope this helps. Stuart
  10. Just spent a fascinating couple of hours at this place (big thanks to Mrs S who spotted it in the Zagreb Times). HO exhibition layout with multi-level lines in effective mountain scenery including spiral and underfloor section (glass covered!). According to their flyer, 1000m of track and 100 trains with plans to extend downstairs into the basement via another spiral. Appropriate stock with locomotive (mostly German or Swiss as far as I could judge) which all ran very well and smoothly under DCC control. Couple of smaller layouts downstairs which you can have a go at driving - meant to encourage younger visitors. Guys are so friendly, most speaking very good English and keen to talk about railway modelling. Website is www.backo.hr. It's maybe 50m off Ilica, the main street in Zagreb and well worth a visit if you're in this part of Croatia. Stuart
  11. During the mid-late 1940s, a Scarborough-Pickering goods and return was worked by a Dairycoates engine. B15s were used until they were all withdrawn (1947). In1949, still a Dairycoates engine with Scarborough men, Stuart (I also lived half a mile away at one point)
  12. Tony, Do you have Colin Mountford's book on the Bowes Railway? There are a couple of photos of Jarrow including an aerial shot? I think I acquired the book in the late 1970's when I moved to Durham, prior to moving to Shropshire 30 years ago Stuart
  13. In an outline planning permission application for housing on each side of the former LNWR Wellington-Stafford line at Donnington, the Rail Services part of the Transport Assessment states that the nearest rail station (at least they didn’t say train station) is 4.5km away at Oakengates. Fair enough It then goes on to describe Oakengates as being situated on the London (Paddington) to Birkenhead via Birmingham Snow Hill line. (Ghosts of Castles and chocolate and cream stock) It would be nice to know that the planners really did their research and didn’t just lift it straight from Wikipedia……. They've got the summary of the present service at Oakengates right (hourly!) Sadly, the assessment then goes on to say that due to the lack of sustainable transport links to the station, most people will drive to the station. Actually, most people will just drive. But, Telford was built for the motor car and not with public transport in mind.
  14. Telford? Does Tarmac have a terminal in Telford? I can't even think they have a quarry around here. Might they mean inwards? There's going to be a lot of building around the town in the next 5 years.
  15. Lankyphil and I ventured yesterday (we've been going since GEC days) and weren't disappointed. No problem with parking... Chollerford and Kepier Colliery drew my attention, Lankyphil, being a Southern enthusiast, made a beeline for Freshwater, but we were impressed with everything - a good mix of layouts. Good trade support from our point of view. Overall, another good Stafford Show, and thank you to all the members, exhibitors and traders who made it so.
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