35 Ark Royal Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Hi here is a list of class 50,s which have been allocated to NSE including detail differences could be useful if you model in 4mm or mad enough to do 2mm!! 50001 Std Large Logo/ RNSE Light , NSE flashes on headcode boxes roof pods 50002 Onse (Doncaster)roof pods,NSE flashes on headcode box crests/RNSE Dark,roof pods, NSE flashes on headcode box, West of England badge (no crests) 50003 RNSE Light NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods 50005 RNSE Light with crests roof pods,RNSE dark Unbranded (ran for a few weeks RNSE dark West of England badge roof pods crest on one side 50007 GW Green roof pods Painted axleboxes/white wheel rims. 50008 L Logo Roof pods large crests (very shortlived with NSE) 50009 L Logo roof pods.Dcwa flashes under cabside/RNSE dark roof pods, NSE flashes on headcode box, West of England badge. 50010 L Logo D410 on headcode box one end only(Again shortlived) 50013 L Logo (Shortlived as withdrawn with fire damage April 88) 50015 L Logo (shortlived) 50016 L Logo black roof roof pods/RNSE dark NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods,West of England badge 50017 ONSE NSE flashes on headcode box roof pods/RNSE light same as ONSE/RNSE dark roof pods NSE flashes on headcode box/West of England badge 50018 ONSE Snowploughs/roof pods NSE flashes on headcode box/RNSE Light All same as ONSE 50019 ONSE roof pods,NSE flashes on headcode box. 50021 L Logo roof pods(Shortlived) 50022 SAME AS 50021 50023 ONSE roof pods,NSE flashes on headcode box/RNSE dark same as ONSE 50024 L Logo Black roof/RNSE Light Snowploughs,roof pods, NSE flashes on headcode box/RNSE dark roof pods, Oversized NSE flashes on headcode box/West of England Badge 50025 ONSE roof pods/NSE flashes on headcode box 50026 ONSE roof pods/NSE flashes on headcode box,26 in black or white one end only? /Black window surrounds. 50027 RNSE Light roof pods/NSE flashes on headcode box/427 in white lower bodyside (One end only)RNSE dark no br logo/no NSE flashes on headcode box (one end only/roof pods 50028 RNSE Light NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods 428 in white lower bodyside one end only 50029 ONSE NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods/RNSE dark same as ONSE/West of England badge 50030 RNSE Light NSE flashes on headcode box ,roof pods.Late 91 had cab door and part of cab painted into RNSE dark (one end only) 50031 L Logo Nse flashes on headcode box,roof pods retained crests/May 1991 recieved full repaint including white wheel rims 50032 ONSE Nse flashes on headcode box,roof pods/black window surrounds/432 on lower bodyside(cab) Blue plates Crests(lost Jan 89) 50033 L Logo NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods/RNSE dark nameplates in incorrect position,NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods/May 92 West of England badge added. 50034 ONSE NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods 034 in white lower bodyside (cab) one end only/RNSE dark roof pods NO NSE flashes in headcode box.Also 1990 lost BR EMBLEM) 434 in white lower bodyside cab one end only 50035 ONSE NSE flashes inheadcode box , radio roof pods,painted axleboxes with red stripe through middle,35 in black above the headlight both ends(Lost large pattern crests Jan 89)RNSE dark NO Nse flashes on both headcode boxes, Painted axleboxes same as ONSE but also bogie springs as well,roof pods 50036 L Logo red buffer beams,NSE flashes on both headcode boxes,roof pods,painted axleboxes/silver buffers (shortlived) 50037 ONSE (Doncaster) NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods(Lost both crests Jan 89) RNSE Nse flashes on headcode box,roof pods/West of England badge 50038 L Logo NSE ,roof pods (Shortlived) 50039 same as 50038 but painted axleboxes 50040 L Logo NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods 50040 in black above NSE flashes on headcode box one end only)Shortlived) Crests lost Jan 89) 50041 RNSE Light NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods 50043 RNSE light, roof pods NSE flashes on headcode box/RNSE dark same as RNSE light but West of England badges) 50044 ONSE (Doncaster variation) NSE flashes on both headcode boxes/RNSE light NSE flashes on both headcode boxes,roof pods, retained both or at least i crest up until withdrawl 50045 L Logo roof pods,DCWA stripes below cab window/RNSE dark NSE flashes on both headcode boxes,roof pods (Ran without Achilles plates during Sept/Oct 89) 50046 L Logo Black roof,roof pods 46 in headcode box one end only(During 1991 both cab ends repainted in yellow) 50048 RNSE Light NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods/RNSE dark same as RNSE light but West of England badges 50049 RNSE Light NSE flashes on headcode box, roof pods 149 14 been in black and the 9 been in blue on front of loco one end 50050 RNSE Light NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods/large pattern crests (Lost 1 in Jan 89) BR blue as D400 roof pods,no plates/Painted axleboxes and white wheel rims April 91 Interesting to note that in the case of 50048 which Hornby choose to model as thier first ONSE model was actually while in that livery allocated to Parcels and DCWA not coming onto NSE books until Aug 1988 by which time it was already in RNSE light livery so along with Exeter theese were the first two to lose the ONSE livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50033 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Superb Can I also add that 50 033 was missing the bottom hand rails on the cab at No 1 end. No 1 end 50 050 was realeased from vulcan works with no handrails on the top of the nose at both ends. No 1 end No 2 end Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I'd never noticed that lack of handrails on 50033 before. After a quick serch on Class50.com she appears to have lost them sometime between August 1984 and July 1986. She did have an intermediate exam at Doncaster in that time emerging on 10 Sept 1985 so that may be of significance. More delving needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Slightly off topic (because she was never officially allocated to NSE), 50006 had the handrail above the left hand tail light at No.2 end moved across after collision damage in early 1970. See this photo here in 1975 or still here very close to the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50033 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Thats as far as I got too with 50033, 08/84 and release from doncaster in 85. We can only presume it was some minor collision damage. Cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Not forgetting that 50017 had one of its nameplates in a different place to all the other NSE Class 50s. See here for 50017 and here for 50019 just for comparison. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35 Ark Royal Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 Thanks Guys and i never knew about Royal Oak even though all the miles i travelled behind as she was my second machine.Just shows when your bashing you don't notice anything.I am presuming Flood that 50017 only had this as an ONSE Loco? To Mark as regards D400/50050 I did not mention this as i thought most knew but thanks anyway.As regards 33 youre favourite i did not notice this so well pointed out.She was my sixth machine.Sadly the fate of this fine loco is far from secure.After all Laira's hardwork when they presented Glorious to the NRM who in turn let it go to rack and ruin .As for STEAM the less said the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vac_basher Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I am presuming Flood that 50017 only had this as an ONSE Loco? RNSE too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vac_basher Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 50033 snowploughs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35 Ark Royal Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 Yes indeed you are right 50033 did have snowploughs along with Vanguard,and Victorious were the only Old Oak Common Vacs allocated to the NWRA t and c pool to have them fitted.Rodney although fitted with ploughs at one stage was only ever allocated to NXXA and i think if memory serves ended its days wih ploughs as one of Laira's DCWA Locos.Sorry thats posting late at night.However in my defence by May 1990 i think they had been removed.Ok question for you what were the only 2 vacs to carry all 3 variants of NSE? I am sure i have already answered this in a previous post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35 Ark Royal Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 Also add that Glorious had painted axleboxes and bulled up bogie springs similar to Ark Royal It was repainted and had a major exam to replace the ill fated Invincible.Also at one stage Implacable was considered as a replacement for Invincible but in the end the decision for reinstating it was against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Ok question for you what were the only 2 vacs to carry all 3 variants of NSE? I am sure i have already answered this in a previous post. Ok number 48 but I'll be blowed if I can think of another at the moment. Got it, 17 of course. One day I'll get round to scanning my slides for you all, culminating in a week in March 1991 and a week in April 1991 based at the Nogg Inn at Feniton. Lovely shot of a filthy number 36 at Andover three weeks before she went. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35 Ark Royal Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 Ok number 48 but I'll be blowed if I can think of another at the moment. Got it, 17 of course. One day I'll get round to scanning my slides for you all, culminating in a week in March 1991 and a week in April 1991 based at the Nogg Inn at Feniton. Lovely shot of a filthy number 36 at Andover three weeks before she went. Correct 17 and 48.Hellfire cant wait to see the pics of Victorious as she was my 7th favourite R.I.P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vac_basher Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 going though my photos. 50005 yellow axle boxes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vac_basher Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 50040 L Logo NSE flashes on headcode box,roof pods 50040 in black above NSE flashes on headcode box one end only)Shortlived) Crests lost Jan 89). Below NSE flashes actually. 50045 L Logo roof pods,DCWA stripes below cab window/RNSE dark NSE flashes on both headcode boxes,roof pods (Ran without Achilles plates during Sept/Oct 89). August to Ocotber, according to my photos. 50046 L Logo Black roof,roof pods 46 in headcode box one end only(During 1991 both cab ends repainted in yellow). Yellow axleboxes around 1987. 50049 RNSE Light NSE flashes on headcode box, roof pods 149 14 been in black and the 9 been in blue on front of loco one end. Removed around May 1991 About the radio areils (roof pods). Were all of them fitted with these; when; and why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35 Ark Royal Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 Below NSE flashes actually. the radio areils (roof pods). Were all of them fitted with these; when; and why? The cabshore radio was fitted i believe so drivers could contact the singnalman without getting out of the cab.Locos which had it fitted include 50001/002/003/004/005/007/008/009/015/016/017/018/019/020/021/022/023/024/025/026/027/028/029/030/031/032/033/034/035/036/037/038/039/040/041/042/043/044/045/046/048/049/149/050/D400 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilgrims Way Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Can anyone shed more light on the withdrawal of 009 due to 'collision damage'. What happened and where and any pictures after the collision? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted June 28, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2013 Hi, Does anyone know if 009 had DCWA flashes on both sides? I can only find evidence of it carrying one on the side with one large set of grilles. By coincedence i've spent a couple of hours looking for that very detail this afternoon, before i saw this topic!! Cheers, Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEARJAMMER Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 04/03/2010 at 11:06, 50033 said: Superb Can I also add that 50 033 was missing the bottom hand rails on the cab at No 1 end. No 1 end 50 050 was realeased from vulcan works with no handrails on the top of the nose at both ends. No 1 end No 2 end Mark Ref 50050/D400, in addition to the missing handrails already mentioned on the nose..... It was also missing the handrails under the headcode box at No1 end only, this was following a collision with (if memory serves me correctly) a collision with 50017. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) On 19/01/2020 at 15:05, GEARJAMMER said: Ref 50050/D400, in addition to the missing handrails already mentioned on the nose..... It was also missing the handrails under the headcode box at No1 end only, this was following a collision with (if memory serves me correctly) a collision with 50017. If it was from the collision with 17 it happened very early (late 68 early 69). 17 had failed (on Shap?) and 400 arrived with the next train to buffer up. Both moved away ok, 17 started to draw ahead then lost power again at its next notch and 400 couldn't brake in time and rammed the rear coach. Very nasty, certainly one fatality possibly two. After this, assisting trains were always told to couple to the rear vehicle of the proceeding train. On 05/03/2010 at 15:09, 35 Ark Royal said: Hellfire cant wait to see the pics of Victorious as she was my 7th favourite R.I.P Had this photo of 36 scanned for a while, just forgot I posted the comment, 50036 Andover 14 March 1991. Edited August 17, 2022 by Flood 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 On 04/03/2010 at 12:59, 50033 said: Thats as far as I got too with 50033, 08/84 and release from doncaster in 85. We can only presume it was some minor collision damage. Cheers Mark Twelve years later and the following photo has appeared on flickr: Photo by Adrian Roberts, Doncaster Works 18/8/85 So that's another question answered. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50033 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Well would you believe it. Good find. I wonder what happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted August 18, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 hours ago, 50033 said: Well would you believe it. Good find. I wonder what happened. Looks like it's had a crack at Toughmudder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 19/01/2020 at 15:45, Flood said: If it was from the collision with 17 it happened very early (late 68 early 69). 17 had failed (on Shap?) and 400 arrived with the next train to buffer up. Both moved away ok, 17 started to draw ahead then lost power again at its next notch and 400 couldn't brake in time and rammed the rear coach. Very nasty, certainly one fatality possibly two. After this, assisting trains were always told to couple to the rear vehicle of the proceeding train May 1969, Beattock. Traction motor field divert problem on 417. One fatality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 4 hours ago, DY444 said: May 1969, Beattock. Traction motor field divert problem on 417. One fatality. I was long aware that 400 had suffered collision damage but not the circumstances. The clue, with this one and others so afflicted in pre-TOPS days, was the running numbers less D prefix on the repaired and repainted end being positioned centrally above the BR logo (painting out the prefix left the number off-centre). Page 26 of Strathwood's 'Looking Back at English Electric Locomotives' shows an interesting view of a fully repainted 436 inside Crewe Works in 1972 - this one presumably had centralised numbers at both ends, but whether it was an overhaul as stated is unclear as in October the following year it was fully repainted again, with central logo and numbered 50036, the first TOPS Class 50. I happened to visit Crewe on 11/11/73 and saw it still shiny dragging a similarly shiny 86222 into the station from the north. This was just after watching 407 drag E3133 in the opposite direction. Oh, and 7600 still in green with small yellow panels passed through with the APT-E skeletal test train. Interesting times, those! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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