apt-e Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said: Sorry Paul not for me. But an N Gauge version could tempt my wallet open again Cheers Neal. P.S. I will get started on my N Gauge POP 1 soon, promise....... Hi Neal, Still got Lab 4 to finish in N gauge. Its nearly done. Paul. Edited May 24, 2021 by apt-e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said: ...or a 5-car PoP train ! We didn't build enough tilt packs for THAT many vehicles! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Sorry to hijack this thread a little bit but does anyone know anything about the LC1 bogies fitted to lab 1. I have just come across a picture of this ex RSO fitted with what look to be similar bogies to the HX4 that 'Hastings' is fitted with but the vehicle was never intended to tilt as it is a standard Mk1. The picture shows it coupled to Lab 25 'Decapod' but whether this was for stabling I don't know. I also have a picture of 'Hastings' running with POP 2 and a couple of other research dept vehicles. Paul R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 hours ago, pwr said: Sorry to hijack this thread a little bit but does anyone know anything about the LC1 bogies fitted to lab 1. I have just come across a picture of this ex RSO fitted with what look to be similar bogies to the HX4 that 'Hastings' is fitted with but the vehicle was never intended to tilt as it is a standard Mk1. The picture shows it coupled to Lab 25 'Decapod' but whether this was for stabling I don't know. I also have a picture of 'Hastings' running with POP 2 and a couple of other research dept vehicles. Paul R Would love to see the photos Paul. Mr Tilt may have something to say about these. I am not sure what the goal was with the LC1s sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 LC1s were essentially non-tilting H4Xs, and were intended to fit under other coaching stock that may or may not have been designed in the future. Instead the HST BT10 bogies took over the BR world and AFAIK no LC1s ever saw passenger service. The Lab 4 tests with the LC1 had lots of different yaw damper configurations so very few pics look the same as any others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) Another base prototype in build, with Tilt. Still lots to change. These are low res test prints, so are pretty rough for now. Top photo is pilot proto 1 with a rough print and paint job. Regards Paul Edited May 25, 2021 by apt-e 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 hours ago, apt-e said: Would love to see the photos Paul. Mr Tilt may have something to say about these. I am not sure what the goal was with the LC1s sadly. Paul The photos are in the old Ian Allan publication Rolling Stock Recognition 3 by Colin Marsden. I can't post them here as I think they are still copyright but I have scanned them on my phone and will e-mail directly. In the meantime here is a link to the Lab 1 page on the Traintesting web site showing the LC1 bogies that I suspect stood for Lab coach 1 bogies!!! Paul R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Mr_Tilt said: LC1s were essentially non-tilting H4Xs, and were intended to fit under other coaching stock that may or may not have been designed in the future. Instead the HST BT10 bogies took over the BR world and AFAIK no LC1s ever saw passenger service. The Lab 4 tests with the LC1 had lots of different yaw damper configurations so very few pics look the same as any others. Thank you Kit - most helpful as usual Paul R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Sorry I forgot to post link http://www.traintesting.com/lab 1.htm Are you considering doing prints of HSFV 4? Paul R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, pwr said: Sorry I forgot to post link http://www.traintesting.com/lab 1.htm Are you considering doing prints of HSFV 4? Paul R That's on the cards Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Original APT-P coach prototype 1. Still got things to change....... Regards Paul. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Tilt testing. Does that make me Mr Tilt 2 (Maybe not). The original Mr Tilt is still the best. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Great work Paul Did you get my e-mail with the photos? Paul R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Not bad, looks about 9 degrees. Mind you, with a curve THAT sharp maybe 19 degrees would be more appropriate if it was doing more than walking pace! I'm minded of Syston North Curve en route to the test track where we were limited to 10 mph I think, and the tilt systems were asleep at that speed! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, pwr said: Great work Paul Did you get my e-mail with the photos? Paul R Oh, yes Paul. Sorry been meaning to message you back. Never seen them before. Thank you very much. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 On 28/05/2021 at 09:38, apt-e said: Tilt testing. Does that make me Mr Tilt 2 (Maybe not). The original Mr Tilt is still the best. If we need a 3D print of Mr Tilt for PoP-1, don't we need need a Mr Tilt 2 for the later version? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said: If we need a 3D print of Mr Tilt for PoP-1, don't we need need a Mr Tilt 2 for the later version? If he was renamed Mr sTilt we would then know that he had gone up in our estimation. Very poor but I don't care ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Mr Tilt looked pretty much the same all through the project, from 1970 to the time I left BR in 1978. Only the colour of the kipper ties changed radically. Or sometimes the cravats in the summer............ 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) More Tilt testing today and building the one part BT11. Buffet car is well on its way also. Lower vents to sort as they are all the same for each coach but that's not a big job thanks to the photos sent by Rob of APT-P.com fame. Edited June 2, 2021 by apt-e 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Morning all, A completed one part frame Hornby style BT11 bogie. Working on the buffet car for the rest of today. Need to find some matched paint for the new coaches. Needs to be as near as to the rest of the original model. Regards Paul. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 A part from lower vents and maybe a few teaks here and there, APT-P Buffet is just about done. Next to do a test run with the extra coaches and see what happens. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Looks great ... does this one have beer or do we have to make do with coffee like PoP-1? Come to think of it, maybe not a good idea - I get the impression it was too much alcohol that made the journalists feel queasy and led to the all the adverse publicity that eventually caused cancellation of the project. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 The media's 'queasiness' was caused by LOTS of alcohol imbibed the previous night in the bar of the hotel at Glasgow Central Station, all BR's expense of course They were pissed BEFORE they even got aboard that first P-Train service. I was staying in the same hotel that night and I could hear them getting drunk from a couple of floors above them! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apt-e Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hi All, Been working on the extra original Hornby style coaches the past two days. Here are some videos of the very first powered test runs, second clip is the first two coach tests. Not perfect but not bad. http://www.apt-e.org/leadleykits/videos/APT.wmv http://www.apt-e.org/leadleykits/videos/APT2.wmv Buffet car needs bigger cams to make the car tilt as its pretty dam heavy and always wants to tilt the wrong way, Mr Tilt knows all about that lol........ Regards Paul 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Tilting the WRONG way in a buffet car? Trust me, you DO NOT want to do that! All that coffee, beer and sarnies all over the floor, NO fun! I'm not sure why the model should want to do that as the cams under the floor should prevent it going the wrong way. Is there too much clearance between the cam and the bogie frame? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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