georgeT Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Well done that man ! look's great Martin. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Great work young man, excellent stuff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 Thanks for everyone's kind comments much appreciated. To add to last nights post I managed to make up a neat tidy hedge around the corner of the goods yard entry which is effectively the boundary fence to the cottage which the owner must spend a lot of time trimming with great pride. I utilised a green pan cleaner which I cut into a couple of strips to the required height. This was then soaked with UPVC glue and then dipped into a large jar of Woodland Scenics green frock to produce a foliage to give the effect of a privet type hedge. Once dried the lengths were then carefully bent to shape around the corner of the garden boundary and then glued into place on cocktail sticks which had been cut to the required height. There is still much work to be done in the garden areas but I will leave this until other scenic work has been completed. Just as a matter of interest I spent a very enjoyable time in Llandudno North Wales last weekend and whilst exploring the Summit of the Great Orme I managed to take a couple of shots of the famous Tramway that has graced the town since 1902. The system consists of two journeys by a funicular tramway, two cars on each leg. The first stage of the ascent starts at the Victoria Station which is a short walk from the town's North shore to a halfway station where the powerful funicular tramway power house is situated. To complete the ascent to the summit you change onto the upper set of trams. Tramcar No 7 ascends the upper level of the system where the cables can clearly be observed. the same Tramcar entering Summit station. And for those who have never enjoyed the delights of Llandudno I include a picture of the Great Orme taken from the rather wonderful Pier So if you ever get the chance to visit the North Wales area I can highly recommend some time in Llandudno. 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) Some further work has been completed today which has involved the Bell Code chip done my good friend Trevor I have only videoed a very small part of the Bell codes but hopefully it will of interest those who follow this thread. I have removed the buildings from the layout at present as I am about to wire in some building light links so need to the base board on their end for access. just click the link to my you tube account to view a very short video. The first sound is that of the phone ringing followed by some random bell codes then the sound of three levels being operated the phone rings again and a call to attention bell Many thanks for you excellent work Trevor hope your pleased with the result I certainly am https://youtu.be/ZYqNkrlLAvw Edited April 13, 2019 by gismorail 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 To add to the above post I have taken a picture of the Bell Code chip assembly that my good friend Trevor (shedman) assembled and made for the layout. It is located just beneath the signal cabin and wired directly into the DCC bus wire I have now fixed the brick base into place where the speaker is fitted as well a connector to power the interior light Something that I learned from Chester Northgate Shed 6D where I had installed interior lighting into all of the buildings which are removable and this involved connecting the wires into connectors beneath the base boards and to be honest it has always been a 'pain' every time I had to do this . When I originally planned the wiring for Chumely End I had installed an accessory bus wire just below the DCC bus wire so that I could pick this up along the length of the layout. To get over the need to remove the lighting bulbs from each building when removed I decided to set them in place and then fit the structure over the lights. Each base board will have a slide switch located in an easy to get at place to switch them off and on when desired. So perhaps I do learn by mistakes . 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 The mind boggles, what ever next, Sound chips from the Bedrooms? I HOPE NOT, haha 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Andrew P said: The mind boggles, what ever next, Sound chips from the Bedrooms? I HOPE NOT, haha What have I missed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 16/04/2019 at 23:09, gismorail said: What have I missed Could always have a TOPS shed in the garden with and layout being built with sound 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share Posted April 22, 2019 Well having had an excellent day at York Model Railway show on Saturday with my good friends Trevor & Peter followed by a cracking pub meal on the way back . This year was their 58th year and when I think back to the first time I ever went to the show I was probably about 10 years old it's a bit frightening ...but it was a very good show this year, there were some excellent layouts to enjoy as well as the normal selection trusted traders who seemed to be very busy. So having spent some money without to much serious damaged to the finances I have returned full of mojo to push on with Chumley End. I have over the last couple of days started on the signals and the first has been the up station starter which is a GCR bracket as adopted by the CLC . I have been making it from the Signal Engineering parts which involves white metal posts and brass fittings so I have been pushing my soldering skills to the limits .......plus burn't finger ends The first couple of pictures shows the signal in it's unpainted state with the basic post and bracket and signal doll and lamp in place . Following and clean up with a file and a wash with fairy liquid I then sprayed it with white primer . The final couple of pictures shows the signal arm in place to give some idea as to how the signal will look in place. Once the primer has a good 24hrs to set I will be able to start on the final painting then the fitting of control wires and LED lamp . 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedman Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 By 'eck Martin, that was quick! What a brilliant job too. Looks amazing. Far better than a signal on the "wrong" side of the track! Love it! Trevor 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Superb mate, and I struggled with a Peco O Gauge kit and GAVE UP. Your skill with the soldering iron is amazing mate. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 Thanks for your kind comments Trevor & Pete. Yes I feel it is a better way around the situation at Chumley station especially as a through goods train will have a better sighting distance through the road bridge . As to soldering skills Andy it's amazing how a good filing can clean up 'dogey' solder joints ...... I'm hoping to make a start on the loop signal tonight . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Kingzance Posted April 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just stumbled across this and instantly knew I had to add it to my list of inspirational layouts - wow! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 24, 2019 Author Share Posted April 24, 2019 Further work has continued on the signals last night. I have put together the posts and fittings on the two loop starters which are classic CLC single concrete post with lower quadrant arms . Unfortunately the battery on my laptop has given up the ghost so am posting on the iPhone which limits my activity a bit. If I can work at how to post some pics I will add them to the thread 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 24, 2019 Author Share Posted April 24, 2019 Basic posts with ladder landings showing signal pivot metals and lamps. I have carefully drilled through the white metal castings on the lamps so that a small LED can be fitted once all the soldering has completed. The above photo is the starter signal at the end of platform 1 at Chester Northgate which hopefully the completed signals will look like on the layout. This is a classic CLC concrete post signal which would have been fabricated in the companies workshops in Warrington many of which lasted right up to closure. In fact just down the old line to Deeside,which is now a cycle way there is still a concrete bracket post which was the junction signal on Chester West Junction on the approaching to Liverpool Road Station which closed in 1953. One of the fascinating parts of the CLC is the many types of signals that existed due to the diverse nature of the Committee. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2019 On 23/04/2019 at 08:53, gismorail said: Well having had an excellent day at York Model Railway show on Saturday with my good friends Trevor & Peter followed by a cracking pub meal on the way back . This year was their 58th year and when I think back to the first time I ever went to the show I was probably about 10 years old it's a bit frightening ...but it was a very good show this year, there were some excellent layouts to enjoy as well as the normal selection trusted traders who seemed to be very busy. So having spent some money without to much serious damaged to the finances I have returned full of mojo to push on with Chumley End. I have over the last couple of days started on the signals and the first has been the up station starter which is a GCR bracket as adopted by the CLC . I have been making it from the Signal Engineering parts which involves white metal posts and brass fittings so I have been pushing my soldering skills to the limits .......plus burn't finger ends The first couple of pictures shows the signal in it's unpainted state with the basic post and bracket and signal doll and lamp in place . Following and clean up with a file and a wash with fairy liquid I then sprayed it with white primer . The final couple of pictures shows the signal arm in place to give some idea as to how the signal will look in place. Once the primer has a good 24hrs to set I will be able to start on the final painting then the fitting of control wires and LED lamp . Martin, before you get too much further with this may I point out gently, in the spirit of constructive criticism, that the signal seems to be in the wrong place? Assuming that it controls the track over which the arm is offset, then it should be before the toe of the turnout rather than almost all the way along it. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Kingzance Posted April 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2019 6 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Martin, before you get too much further with this may I point out gently, in the spirit of constructive criticism, that the signal seems to be in the wrong place? Assuming that it controls the track over which the arm is offset, then it should be before the toe of the turnout rather than almost all the way along it. As a non-specialist, I will take on board the positioning of a signal at the toe of a turnout but can I ask how far back signals should be located when they are to protect a convergence of two lines into one? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted April 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Kingzance said: As a non-specialist, I will take on board the positioning of a signal at the toe of a turnout but can I ask how far back signals should be located when they are to protect a convergence of two lines into one? That's a trickier one, as there are all sorts of technicalities such as clearing points beyond the signals which others more expert than I can explain. As a minimum there must of course be room for a train standing at the signal not to foul movements on the converging line. There's a thread on this at: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/48504-gwr-signals-and-where-they-go/ Although it focuses on the GWR, the essentials apply everywhere. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted April 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Kingzance said: how far back signals should be located when they are to protect a convergence of two lines into one? 3 hours ago, St Enodoc said: That's a trickier one, as there are all sorts of technicalities such as clearing points beyond the signals which others more expert than I can explain. In simple terms, so as the one that’s moving doesn’t hit the one that isn’t or anyone leaning out of a window. Leaning out of a window needs 18” (6mm in OO) so that’s as close as you can go if doing it empirically. To make it easier, the traditional rule was come back from the point on the line with the moving train until there is 6’ between the running edges on the diverging rails. Drop a perpendicular onto the line with the stationary train and then go a further 16’6” away. The scale 6’ obviously needs P4 or EM Track not OO! Model compression also comes into it but not so much as thing collide! If you’re doing very modern image the 16’6” has increased to something over 5m but detailed calculations are still allowed. As a rule of thumb for OO using Peco 12 degree points, 5” back from the end of the point is plenty, 3” is tight but OK. Hope this helps, ignore if too complicated. Paul. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted April 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2019 10 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Martin, before you get too much further with this may I point out gently, in the spirit of constructive criticism, that the signal seems to be in the wrong place? Assuming that it controls the track over which the arm is offset, then it should be before the toe of the turnout rather than almost all the way along it. Agreed . . . except, this is signalling . . . There is a way out! And it’s due to the platform. So long as the signal shown is at clearance from the joining line (and it looks to be) then another signal could be provided at the toes of the point part way along the platform to protect it. That way it is possible to make full use of the whole length of the platform. As a real world example, platform 3 at Paddington (in the ‘67 signalling) had two signals in exactly this formation and it did sometimes cause issues with drivers reporting that the signal part way along the point had not cleared when they were taking the diverging route through the turnout. Paul. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 Mmmm I was wondering about the bracket signal's position and whether anyone would pick up on it's placing and I very much appreciate everyone's input in the subject. As I mentioned in the very early part of this thread the track plan is based on one of Ian Rice's sketches as a possible layout which he never built himself but as he pointed out in the write up the general idea would make a interesting layout to operate. I have slightly added to his original plan and added the second fiddle yard at the station end, this has resulted in some compression around the area where the loop point is situated mainly due to the based board joint. Regarding the operation of the layout it is my intention to occasionally run a three coach passenger train thus the need to use the full length of the platform hence the signal positioning. I did at one stage of the planing consider extending the platform under the road bridge to accommodate this movement but decided not to go down that route. So I know that it's not exactly right as far as the real railway is concerned but who knows what is hidden beyond the bridge signal wise . Thanks for the heads up on the positioning though. Cheers to all. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeT Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Amazing what a few signals can make to the scene Martin, really looking good... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 Work continues on the signal construction mainly on painting the work to date, but I have also now fitted the very small LED's into the signal lamps and threaded the wires so that they do not show up to much on the finished signal. (being solid posts this has not be easy) As mentioned in a prior post the signal posts are of concrete construction, the second picture shows the LED illuminated. I have also fitted the activating mechanics on the bracket signal which is still have to have the signal arm installed and linked in. I purchased some Dingo Servo Mounts at the Stafford Show back in February for the operation of the signals. All instructions and downloads to aid construction can be found on www.dingoservo.co.uk The servo mount is constructed out of aluminium which is bent to shape to make a high quality unit. The servo bolts onto the mount so that the motion of the wire which is held in position between the three locking bolts and is in a vertical movement. I also purchased a servo consistency tester which can find the 'neutral' position of aid installation. I have made a video of the working unit which will have to attach on a following post as not being a gold member I cannot fit it onto this post. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) Video of servo mount in operation. Edited April 29, 2019 by gismorail 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Looks a bit complicated to me Martin, but never the less, it does work nice, well done mate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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