JeremyC Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) For a particular train I need some Mark 2z [original production series type] TSO coaches. These haven't been produced recently by Bachmann [and seem to be as rare as hen's teeth 2nd hand!] , but 2A stock is available. I was wondering if there were any major differences in appearance that would make it impossible to backdate Bachmann 2As to 2Zs? It would appear from Harris's book the bodyshell is the same. [i am aware the corridor connections / doors differ and the prototype 2As were only air braked which might mean the models underframes are different.] Jeremy Edited October 31, 2016 by JeremyC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) I have posted these before but it was quite a while ago: Mk2a FK above with Mk2 TSO below, note the air brake distributor on the Mk2a: Close up of the air-brake distributor: Underneath of Mk2a FK above (small air brake cylinders) and Mk2 TSO below (larger vacuum brake cylinders): The ends of the coachs. Mk2a FK to the left, Mk2 TSO to the right: As you have said, you know of these differences anyway. Apart from these there is no difference between the TSO, BSO and BFK types. The FK coaches had totally different passenger and toilet windows in the Mk2 FK but the Bachmann Mk2 FK is currently available anyway. In addition the following Mk2a coaches were converted to vacuum brakes in 1976/77 so can also be used (along with Inter-City still on the bodysides): SC13434, 35, 36, 37 W13438, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44 E13446, 47, 50, 70, 74 W14058, 60, 61, 62, 64, 66, 68, 85 SC14059, 83, 87, 91, 95, 99 E14094 (1978 allocations) One other thing to note is the incorrect roof for the Bachmann BFK (both Mk2 and Mk2a), a corrected one is shown below: Edited October 31, 2016 by Flood 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Flood. Thanks for the information. I probably should have mentioned the train I'm making up is the 1966 'Granite City' Railtour, which included Mk2 TSOs in the formation and northbound was V2 hauled over the Waverley Route. Jeremy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lekkie lad Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Flood. Thanks for the information. I probably should have mentioned the train I'm making up is the 1966 'Granite City' Railtour, which included Mk2 TSOs in the formation and northbound was V2 hauled over the Waverley Route. Jeremy Mk2Z had a Mark 1 style corridor connector door (as can been seen on earlier end on photo). I needed a couple of the Mk2Z TSOs and spent probably more than they are worth getting them from the Usual Auction Site. But then again, a lot of other people wanted the same. Ian S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew F Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Has anyone removed the corridor connecting doors from their Mk2a's and if so is it a simple push out job or more involved? I simply removed the air brake distributor and re-numbered mine and put them in the middle of a rake but for some reason it annoys me a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Has anyone removed the corridor connecting doors from their Mk2a's and if so is it a simple push out job or more involved? I simply removed the air brake distributor and re-numbered mine and put them in the middle of a rake but for some reason it annoys me a bit. I have done it, in fact I swapped them between types, but they are pretty firmly glued in. There is a slot in the end of the coach that the inside door moulding slots into which makes the join pretty solid. The problem I had was trying to swap the two different types of doors over. They appear to only fit with their matching corridor connection so when trying to swap the doors you have to take off and swap the whole corridor connection moulding as well. And those corridor connections can be a real tough job to take off. Looking at a Mk2a though you should be able to take out the folding doors and replace them with plain plastikard (and a door handle if you can be bothered) instead. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 7, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2016 You can also detail a Hornby Mark2 specially an early one. Extreme Etches window frames and Replica B4s 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) You can also detail a Hornby Mark2 specially an early one. Extreme Etches window frames and Replica B4s That was plan 'A', but I'm coming to the conclusion it's more hassle than they're worth.Jeremy Edited November 8, 2016 by JeremyC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 great thread this You can also detail a Hornby Mark2 specially an early one. Extreme Etches window frames and Replica B4s I'm going to have to change the bogies on my Hornby Mk2 as it has a B4 one end and a B1 the other! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Can I jump in here with a Question? The Intercity Exec Scotrail (Blue Stripe) Mk2 coaches, were they Mk2 or Mk2a? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 The Intercity Exec Scotrail (Blue Stripe) Mk2 coaches, were they Mk2 or Mk2a?Mark 2, or more correctly 2Z http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/125400-scotrail-livery-mark-2-ac2z-tso-coaches/ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 G'Day All, Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd resurrect this one - would anybody be able to confirm what Mk2/Mk2z coaches that Bachmann produced and what their part numbers where? Try to track down an couple and not sure exactly if the ones I have found are being advertised correctly or not. Secondly where any of the 'specials' that Bachmann produced for the likes of Modelzone suitable for the early Mk2 stock? Thanks in advance James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 TSO 39-350 and 39-351 BFK 39-400 and 39-401 FK 39-330 and 39-330A BSO 39-370 and 39-371 The Modelzone 39-350Z pack had a Mk2 TSO and a Mk2a BSO The Modelzone 39-330Z pack had a Mk2 FK Standard release coaches ending in 0 did not have Inter-City on the side, releases ending in 1 did have Inter-City. I think that's it for the vacuum braked Mk2 stock. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 11 hours ago, Flood said: TSO 39-350 and 39-351 BFK 39-400 and 39-401 FK 39-330 and 39-330A BSO 39-370 and 39-371 The Modelzone 39-350Z pack had a Mk2 TSO and a Mk2a BSO The Modelzone 39-330Z pack had a Mk2 FK Standard release coaches ending in 0 did not have Inter-City on the side, releases ending in 1 did have Inter-City. I think that's it for the vacuum braked Mk2 stock. Thanks Flood, perfect. Just what I wanted. Just picked up a Mk2 BSO (the correct one thankfully!). I'm finding that many are advertised as "MK2" but are in fact MK2A according to part numbers. Thanks once again! James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 interesting reading what type was on the Class 50 hauled Waterloo to Exeter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted January 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2020 WR 2A and 2B I think 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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