Pullman Carriages

[KTT123]

Hello.  Forgive me if this question is in the wrong area - I am new and this site is a bit confusing.

 

I have been given a Mallard train for my model railway and now want to buy sime Pullman carriages to go with it

 

[KTT123]

There are plenty on ebay, but I dont know which to buy - bar cars , parlours, kitchens etc.  Can you suggest a good combination of about 8 that I should look for on Ebay? 

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

A Pullman train was a service at table restaurant that took you to your destination. The typical plan was pairs of Kitchen and Parlour cars, with a brake end vehicle each end of the train, neatly arranged with the brake ends outboard. Eight car train: Brake end, Kitchen 1st. Parlour 1st, Kitchen 3rd,  Parlour 3rd, Parlour 3rd, Kitchen 3rd, Brake end. If you fancy a rarity like a bar car, Hadrian Bar, it replaces a Parlour 3rd.

 

The all steel 'Queen of Scots' cars were built specifically for the Pullman services on the LNER in 1928, those are the ones to go for if you can find them. Curtains at the windows are post war, no curtains (they had pull down blinds in reality) as originally built for the LNER services.

 

That's the sketchiest of overviews. More here if you have the time: https://sremg.org.uk/coach/coupe/index.html

[Gibbo675]

Hi KTT,

 

Here are some Eastern Region formations from Pullman Profile No. 3:

• 1948 Queen of Scots, 77, 70, 75, Juanna, Ione, 83, 81, 79, Agatha, 67.
• 1950 Queen of Scots, 80, 67, 76, Ursula, Evadne, Rosamund, 75, 161.
• 1954 Queen of Scots, 65, 68,76, Iolanthe, Zena Joan 83, 80.
• 1957 Queen of Scots, 78, 68, Juanna, Belinda, Cynthia, 83,79.
• 1950 Tees Tyne, 63,69, Eunice Cynthia, Juanna, Hadrian Bar, 107,16.
• 1955 Tees Tyne, 248,68,Ursula Thelma,Hadrian Bar, Lucille,33,162.
• 1957 Tees Tyne, 209, 58,Belinda, Lucille, Onyx, 72, 32, 248.
• 1946 Yorkshire Pullman, 161, 106, Nilar, 105, 64, 107, Thelma, Belinda,162.
• 1953 Yorkshire Pullman, 79, 70,75,73,Ursula, Ione,71,78

Link to book noted above:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-All-Steel-K-Type-Cars-Pullman-Profile-No-3-by-Antony-M-Ford/274457346885?hash=item3fe6eec345:g:mc0AAOSwvgtfEKKF

 

 

Links to all Pullman cars and types:

 

http://britishrailways.info/pullman_cars.htm?LMCL=zCaGWB

 

Gibbo.

[John Tomlinson]

On the basis that you are going to buy some Pullman cars, be aware that the Hornby ones fall into two distinct categories.

 

There are some old pattern ones marketed under their Railroad label.  These are much less detailed than the more recent ranges and can be recognised by not having lights, nor curtains, nor separate pipes on the roofs at the ends which were to fill the water tanks - a representation of these pipes is simply a moulded ridge.

 

The later ones have all the above features. If you use Ebay you should pick up the later ones for £20 - £25 a car, possibly a bit less if you buy a set of three. Do look carefully as the early Railroad ones aren't a patch on the later series. Buy It Now prices are often ridiculous compared to prices achieved at Auction, so beware those as well.

 

John.

[John Tomlinson]

On 28/08/2020 at 09:38, Gibbo675 said:

Hi KTT,

 

Here are some Eastern Region formations from Pullman Profile No. 3:

• 1948 Queen of Scots, 77, 70, 75, Juanna, Ione, 83, 81, 79, Agatha, 67.
• 1950 Queen of Scots, 80, 67, 76, Ursula, Evadne, Rosamund, 75, 161.
• 1954 Queen of Scots, 65, 68,76, Iolanthe, Zena Joan 83, 80.
• 1957 Queen of Scots, 78, 68, Juanna, Belinda, Cynthia, 83,79.
• 1950 Tees Tyne, 63,69, Eunice Cynthia, Juanna, Hadrian Bar, 107,16.
• 1955 Tees Tyne, 248,68,Ursula Thelma,Hadrian Bar, Lucille,33,162.
• 1957 Tees Tyne, 209, 58,Belinda, Lucille, Onyx, 72, 32, 248.
• 1946 Yorkshire Pullman, 161, 106, Nilar, 105, 64, 107, Thelma, Belinda,162.
• 1953 Yorkshire Pullman, 79, 70,75,73,Ursula, Ione,71,78

Link to book noted above:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-All-Steel-K-Type-Cars-Pullman-Profile-No-3-by-Antony-M-Ford/274457346885?hash=item3fe6eec345:g:mc0AAOSwvgtfEKKF

 

 

Links to all Pullman cars and types:

 

http://britishrailways.info/pullman_cars.htm?LMCL=zCaGWB

 

Gibbo.

I hadn't come across that list "britishrailwaysinfo...." before - very useful indeed.

 

A few weeks ago I decided I ought to start taking Pullman formations seriously, Ford volume 3 that you reference is commonly available, but vols.1 & 2 are as rare as the proverbial  - still to be sourced in my case.

 

Other than making some Southern Pride Mk1's years ago, I've been gathering some new Hornby's - of course real men make their own as illustrated in your workbench thread!

 

John.

[Gibbo675]

1 minute ago, John Tomlinson said:

I hadn't come across that list "britishrailwaysinfo...." before - very useful indeed.

 

A few weeks ago I decided I ought to start taking Pullman formations seriously, Ford volume 3 that you reference is commonly available, but vols.1 & 2 are as rare as the proverbial  - still to be sourced in my case.

 

Other than making some Southern Pride Mk1's years ago, I've been gathering some new Hornby's - of course real men make their own as illustrated in your workbench thread!

 

John.

Hi John,

 

Ask away about formations and I shall have a look in my books for you to see what I can find.

 

A selection of my cut and shut Pullmans.

 

 

Gibbo.

[melmerby]

For those not in the know all Pullman 1st class cars were named.

They did AFAIK also have an official number but only the name appears on the carriage side.

Pullman 3rd class cars were only numbered and the number appears on the side in the same way the name did on the 1st class.

Pullmans were also found with either 4 wheel or 6 wheel bogies, the latter of the "American" style