two tone green Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 Good try, have an extra sausage roll on me. The clock is ticking, days to do are getting few, hours to go are getting low. Do you all know where it is, when it is, how you are all getting there and what you have to bring. I do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arff999 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Hi TTG That will be a No,No,No and a No again hehehe ill follow the sat nav. will be there on fri night in premier inn if any ones there. JOHN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 And if there is no one at the Premier Inn John, where will you stay then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arff999 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Nice one Better bring me sleeping bag then guess it may be cold in the car JOHN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted March 15, 2010 Author Share Posted March 15, 2010 And of course you all will be up to chapter three now in the manual and playing with the software at least for an hour a day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogga Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Getting giddy now, just over a week to go to the demo. I am trying desperately to get a bit learning in but failing miserably. I have time in a hotel each week but soon as i open the manual the eyelids piggin close. I shall sit quietly in the corner with me dunces hat on i think and watch TTG work his magic. Regards Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 There are other things to do in hotel bedrooms that may well keep you awake. Try one but have the RR&Co manual in the other hand. Not long now. I'm in France all next week and arrive back just in time for a mad dash north to set up shop. See you all there. Dont forget your laptops with the software installed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted March 20, 2010 Author Share Posted March 20, 2010 Just confirmed everything for next Saturday, so its all systems go. Looking forward to seeing you all. Regards TTG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogga Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 TTG i am attending on Saturday and really looking forward to it. But i have a burning question which i thought i would ask now rather than take away your tutorial time on Saturday. My layout is an end to end affair Fiddle Yard to Branch terminus with a turntable. The automatic operation i want to achieve is principally as follows: A mix of small goods and 2 coach passenger trains pulled by tanks travel from the fiddle yard to the terminus to a timetable i hope. The arrival train enters the platform block brakes and stops over the uncoupler (block now occupied) The engine is now boxed in. A tank will then come in from the shed or TT to couple to the rear end of the coaches or wagon then take the departure back to the fiddle yard. The arrival tank then backs off to be turned ready for the next departing train. This procedure continues until the fiddle yard is now full again. Now the the burning question, the platform block will at some point have two engines i can understand how to brake and stop the arriving engine but its how to back in and stop the departing engine into the same block? I plan to have two occupancy sensors one brake at the beginning of the block and one brake toward the end which will be the stop for the arriving loco to get it on the uncoupler. When the departing loco backs in, can the first sensor in the block only be used to both brake and stop the departing loco at the point it couples to the coaches? Thanks in anticipation and look forward to meeting you next week. I have been playing with RR&co and have run it manually from my PC, unfortunately i have yet to get and fit the occupancy decoders so no block work yet. Regards Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share Posted March 21, 2010 I dont want to go into things on here but this may be a good place to start to get an answer now. http://www.freiwald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11827&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://www.freiwald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12262 http://www.freiwald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12140 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianR Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Pete, I too will be there on Saturday and am looking forward to it. I am trying to do almost exactly the same as you, using the demo version of Silver. I think I can do it with two blocks (two detectors) in an awkward way by stopping the train near the buffers, waiting for the passengers to depart then backing up about 75ft (30cm) to position over the uncoupler, then running the engine forward again into the block at the buffers. The platform block with the train in it shows clear, and the new engine can run in without having to change any rules. The other end of the problem is coupling up the new engine: Using a single shifted stop marker in the platform block means that my longest train will be hit at threshold speed and pushed towards the buffers by about 20ft more than the shortest train before the engine reaches the stop marker. I am not planning to fit resistive axles to any stock so I am not sure if this approach can be made to work if the train is detected. I have tried it on a simple test track with just the arrival engine so far. There are several threads on the RR&Co forum looking at ways to get around this problem, but I am trying to avoid fitting magnets to all my engines and I do not want to pay the extra for Gold unless it is essential. Perhaps TTG and some of the others on Saturday will have found ways of fixing this, at least we can pool ideas. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogga Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Yes its a bit of a conundrum, just been through the Gold manual and they pretty well skirt the terminus operation all together from what i can see. I have had a scan through the forum following TTG's advice and have stumbled on a chap who is operating as we want but he has problem with uncoupling but i think his uncoupling are auto uncouplers in the loco. I was thinking about two blocks as well, the first block is able to accommodate the loco plus coaches where the second block only need accommodate the loco. If everything is set right you should be able to stop a loco within mm's. As for uncoupling Brian i plan to use kadees, so when the train arrives it stops on the magnet and uncouples, i should be able to draw the loco forward a tad in the schedule. The automatic turntable operation is another challenge as its a Peco but as long as i can drive it for a fixed time period via a loco decoder in the schedule i will sort the alignment myself. My theory is sound. This is why TTG's offer is so important and a great opportunity not to miss. Is there where we agree to meet under the clock? look forward to meeting you on Saturday we can compare notes. I will have a Chicago hoody on no doubt. Regards Pete Pete, I too will be there on Saturday and am looking forward to it. I am trying to do almost exactly the same as you, using the demo version of Silver. I think I can do it with two blocks (two detectors) in an awkward way by stopping the train near the buffers, waiting for the passengers to depart then backing up about 75ft (30cm) to position over the uncoupler, then running the engine forward again into the block at the buffers. The platform block with the train in it shows clear, and the new engine can run in without having to change any rules. The other end of the problem is coupling up the new engine: Using a single shifted stop marker in the platform block means that my longest train will be hit at threshold speed and pushed towards the buffers by about 20ft more than the shortest train before the engine reaches the stop marker. I am not planning to fit resistive axles to any stock so I am not sure if this approach can be made to work if the train is detected. I have tried it on a simple test track with just the arrival engine so far. There are several threads on the RR&Co forum looking at ways to get around this problem, but I am trying to avoid fitting magnets to all my engines and I do not want to pay the extra for Gold unless it is essential. Perhaps TTG and some of the others on Saturday will have found ways of fixing this, at least we can pool ideas. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianR Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Pete, Did you find this topic: http://www.freiwald....pic.php?t=11450 (edit: The link is distorted, it should be www.freiwald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11450 I've no idea why this happened) This is the end of a series of topics about the problem, using Kadees, and they have all gone to great lengths to give the engine a jolt back. I assume they must have tried just stopping over the magnet and perhaps found it unreliable for opening the hooks. I use tension lock, although I would like to convert when every other problem is sorted(?) so I have no idea how easily Kadees will uncouple. How did they do it full size? Did the engine pull away from the train before the departure engine coupled up, or did they just compress the buffers, uncouple and stay put? Good luck with the turntable, that's a problem I don't have. regards, Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogga Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Brian, no i haven't dug that deep yet, i only came to that conclusion yesterday after seeing a few videos on You Tube, just search kadee. At the moment i am using tension locks with cheapo uncoupling ramps. I feel the problem is getting the tension/weight/load off the coupling so it releases and have a similar scenario with the tension locks and ramps. But life would be boring if everything worked first time eh. Regards Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caenmatt Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 wogga send John Dew a PM, he done a tutorial on another forum doing what you want, this was with gold. i am going saturday so if you have problems send me a PM and i will print out the tutorial and bring it along. i am looking forward to saturday so see you all then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogga Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Cheers Caenmatt i shall give him a go. Regards Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john dew Posted March 22, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi Guys Sorry I cant be at your get together......bit too far from Vancouver This is my contribuition from the other side of the world Kaydee Uncoupling Set the stop marker so the train stops with the kaydees over the magnet As as an operation at the finish of the schedule you do the Kaydee Shuffle Delay 1sec Reverse Speed 8 mph Delay .5 sec Speed 0 mph Delay 1 sec Separate This gives you a little jerk to uncouple and works like a charm Two Engines in one block at a terminus (Gold) Generally you only need one occupancy sensor in each block......with V7 Gold and Silver you can set up a multiplicity of different stop and brake markers controlling their activation with conditions Schedule 1 Move Loco 1 with carriages into the destination block The uncoupling magnet should be set so that when the rear of the loco is over the magnet the head of the train is about 3-4" from the buffers. As an operation at the finish of the schedule do the kaydee shuffle but omit the "separate" ie the train will be physically uncoupled but not in TC In place of "Separate" add: Speed 5 mph Delay 1 sec ......................... adjust this so loco moves clear of carriages and stops at buffers Speed ..................................ie 0 mph This sequence ensures the loco is well clear of the carriages when the 2nd loco couples up Schedule 2 Moves Loco 2 into the destination block from Loco Spur TC has to recognise that a second loco has moved into the block..... you do this by setting up a virtual contact in the destination block that is triggered by the contact indicator in the preceding block with a condition to prevent it being activated by schedule 1. Set up a stop marker (with brake marker) so that the loco runs gently on to the carriages and continues forward for about an 1" to ensure coupling Set up the schedule rules to allow traiins to enter occupied blocks for the purpose of joining As an operation at the finish of the schedule Join ................................. Loco 1, The Carriages and Loco 2 are now joined as one unit in TC Delay 2 sec Separate leftmost locmotive..............................You select separate in Train Operations and then change to select the appropriate option Delay 2 sec You need to insert delays to allow TC to do its stuff otherewise you get unexpected results! So now TC reflects reality Loco 1 in the block separate from the Loco 2 coupled to the carriages Schedule 3 Move train with loco2 out to branch? Schedule 4 Move loco1 to loco spur You have to be careful with conditions obviously..........but it works If Matt brings his printout that is much more detailed with screen shots. If any of the guys are members of YMR (the other Forum) and bring a laptop it is set up there Hope this helps good luck with the Get together Regards from Vancouver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogga Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Many thanks John for your comprehensive answer. Can you just confirm that this all happens in one block? I feel more comfortable now and will not be tempted to hijack the get together on Saturday and bombard TTG with questions of a purely selfish nature. Regards Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianR Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Hi John, Thanks for that useful explanation. I've just looked at your Granby thread, it is very impressive and makes me determined to put more time into building my own layout. I tried to view your tutorial but Your Model Railway is not accepting new registrations, is there any other way to access the information before Saturday? Regards, Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caenmatt Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 wogga yes this all happens in one block set up in the finish operations window in the properties for that schedule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 Its all set up ready to go. Are you ? Nice big screen to look at and the test track is in front for you all to see. See you tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyrush Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Its all set up ready to go. Are you ? Nice big screen to look at and the test track is in front for you all to see. See you tomorrow Alarm clock already set - hope the Virgins are performing properly tomorrow ! Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dont remember them asking if they could come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted March 26, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dont remember them asking if they could come. I don't remember pre-ordering any either ! - I thought it was the lunch I turned down See you all tomorrow B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 They are for lunch are they. Are they filling, do I need two :icon_confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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