jonny777 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I know that 86235 was repainted in 1979 to mark the 150th anniversary of the Liverpool to Manchester railway, but the livery had yellow cabs including the drivers' doors at both ends, and black cab windows. See - http://tinyurl.com/p29bd7e However, Rainhill 150 was towards the end of May 1980 but this photo suggests that the livery was changed around four weeks later if the date is correct - http://tinyurl.com/q3gxb5k But I have a photo in my collection taken in 1982 on a visit to Willesden which shows 86235 in its Rainhill livery. Does anyone have the correct dates for livery changes to this loco, and can put my mind to rest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Can't help with your conundrum, but noticed in the standard livery pic (not full yellow ends) that the numbers aren't straight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Marshall Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Well I've got a poor quality scanned picture of 86214 (29 is the sequence number of the shot) - I had this down as 1978 at Rainhill. Puzzled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mcowgill Posted August 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2015 I think the date on the photo is wrong and is before May 1980, I have several photos of 86235 taken in the summer of 1980 all with the full yellow ends. 86235 gained it's L&M railway panel and large numbers in 1979 (possibly when it was named in 1979?) without the wraparound yellow ends - see here: http://www.railblue.com/pages/Class%2086/in_connection_with_the_150th_ann.htm 86214 seems to have had the full livery at the time it was named (March 1980?), certainly by 29th March when I photographed it as Euston in the new livery. I suspect 86235 was changed at about the same time, unfortunately I didn't run across it with my camera (or decide the shot was good enough to use up a sixth-former's precious 35mm slide exposure) between naming and May 1980. Martin Edit: A closer check of the notes on my slide catalogue finds the comment that 86214 was in the new livery but not yet named on 29/3/80 - I'll see if I can get some scans, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Well I've got a poor quality scanned picture of 86214 (29 is the sequence number of the shot) - I had this down as 1978 at Rainhill. Puzzled. The Rainhill 150 event was definitely May 1980 see - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 I think the date on the photo is wrong and is before May 1980, I have several photos of 86235 taken in the summer of 1980 all with the full yellow ends. 86235 gained it's L&M railway panel and large numbers in 1979 (possibly when it was named in 1979?) without the wraparound yellow ends - see here: http://www.railblue.com/pages/Class%2086/in_connection_with_the_150th_ann.htm 86214 seems to have had the full livery at the time it was named (March 1980?), certainly by 29th March when I photographed it as Euston in the new livery. I suspect 86235 was changed at about the same time, unfortunately I didn't run across it with my camera (or decide the shot was good enough to use up a sixth-former's precious 35mm slide exposure) between naming and May 1980. Martin Edit: A closer check of the notes on my slide catalogue finds the comment that 86214 was in the new livery but not yet named on 29/3/80 - I'll see if I can get some scans, Thanks Martin. That makes a lot of sense, and it would appear that the new livery of 86214 prompted the repainting of 86235's cabs to match, sometime in the spring of 1980. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mcowgill Posted August 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2015 Here are a couple of photos of 86214 & 86235 in the first half of 1980: 86214 late afternoon of 29th Match 1980 at Euston, new livery but unnamed. 86235 'Novelty' on 27th May 1980 passing Bolton le Sands between Carnforth and Hest Bank. Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Somewhere I have a VHS video with the cavalcade on. This is one of the earliest surviving tapes we have. Think the coverage of the modern traction was rushed through a bit if I remember so the shots on there might be a bit scarce. Hey presto BBC iplayer has it available http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p011vfz4/the-great-railway-cavalcade-rocket-150-at-rainhill [Edit] See the deltic hauling it about 51 minutes into the programme. A few years time they will be able to run the electrics past Rainhill rather than hauled by a diesel loco! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.