Jack Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 A friend has just come back from holidaying in Israel and came across this ... question is how and why did a humble mk.1 find its way out there!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted April 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2016 I think there were some mk2s that actually ran over there ,not sure if they used mk1s in service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Looks like the "SK". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Where's the location? The RCTS website has a downloadable list of preserved BR carriages (last updated 2015, https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/preservedcoaches/), which includes five vehicles at Tel Aviv (one being a Mk1 SK). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 Where's the location? The RCTS website has a downloadable list of preserved BR carriages (last updated 2015, https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/preservedcoaches/), which includes five vehicles at Tel Aviv (one being a Mk1 SK). Apparently it was at a roadside cafe near Jericho! Interesting to know how it got there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan den Haan Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 The late Paul Cotterell mentions in his comprehensive book 'The Railways of Palestine and Israel' only the BR Mk2C coaches as shown below. Train approaching Haifa Bat Galim station in August 1990. The former BR Mk2C coach is obviously much lower than the coach built by Orenstein and Koppel on the left and the coach built by Boris Kidric (Metalka) of former Yugoslavia on the right. Jan den Haan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted April 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2016 What's with the ' pimped' blacked out windows? Mk2Cs didn't really last too long on BR, was there any problems with them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan den Haan Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 In Israel there is a lot of sunshine and in the summer it is quite hot.In order to keep the temperature inside acceptable the coaches have dark tinted windows and two air conditioning units on the roof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 That and the fact that it prevents snipers and opportunists.... Think it unlikely? This happened in New York and was watched by a guitarist friend of mine who was driving behind the Coach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Brooklyn_Bridge_shooting Very upsetting, he said... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen Melling Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 The 4 ex-BR Mk.1s and a Mk.2 were brought to Israel in 1989 by a then-popular (since defunct) restaurant/cafes chain, Apropo Ltd. with the goal of sing them as part of new branches. This failed to materialize, and after the chain's collapse they were sold onward, though used for the original purpose. Here is a list of these vehicles Below is a picture, taken by the late Paul Cotterell, of the quintet shortly after their arrival here: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen Melling Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 The 8 refurbished Mk. 2Cs purchased by Israel Railways in 1977 were as follows: 681 - M5575 682 - M5580 683 - M5612 684 - M5606 685 - M5567 686 - M5593 687 - M5588 688 - M5570 (preserved in The Israel Railway Museum, Haifa, of which I am the manager) Below is a photo by the late Paul Cotterell from the first official public run, on 28th April 1977. Note they were usually not used together but as singles, each attached to a rake of standard IR coaches to provide the local equivalent of 1st class seating as 'Reserved Seating' carriages, offering 2+2 seating instead of the then-prevalent 2+3. They only had a/c units fitted starting in 1989 (682 never receiving any) and were withdrawn quite early, around 1997 (except 687 which was damaged earlier in a fire), probably due to their being both non-standard and to cracks appearing in their integral bodies - these can be evidenced on 688 in the museum. Any tinting to the windows is strictly for climate control purposes, not for security needs. While there certainly are security concerns in Israel (as in most of the world these days), they are usually dealt with by prevention, e.g. intelligence, patrolling etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45669 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 A contact of mine on Flickr saw this thread and asked me to reply as he knows a bit about it. Confirming what has already been written above, he writes : "Back in the late seventies, ISR bought a handful (eight in total) of Mk IIc coaches from British Rail, in an attempt to offer an improved service on the Haifa - Tel Aviv main line. The coaches were all equipped with dark windows, due to the intense sunlight in Israel. It was a well-intentioned attempt to provide the passengers, inside the coach, with a comfortable environment, but with hardly any ventilation and a tiny hatch at the top of each window, on top of the infernally hot Israeli summer, it soon became clear that "the Brits" were climatically unfit for service in Israel. ISR kept using them well into the nineties, and even had them fitted out with roof-mounted airconditioners, which must have been a huge relief for both passengers and crew. The following link will offer more details about ISR's ex-BR coaches:www.angelfire.com/my/railnews/rolling/coachlist_e_3.htmlIt is also worth mentioning that a few other ex-BR coaches found their way to Israel over the years, though this has absolutely nothing to do with ISR whatsoever. The coach near Jericho, off the main road across the Jordan Valley, was purchased decades ago by some restaurant owner in the area. Another coach was last seen in the sand dunes near Caesarea, halfway between Haifa and Tel Aviv." He has lots of interesting pictures on Flickr and if anyone would like to have look you'll find them here : https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/albums/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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