RMweb Gold imt Posted May 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2016 This is a follow on topic from my Bowling query which people have kindly helped me with. Again this is the WTT Scotland Section C 4 May/4 October 1970 pp C26/C28 There is a train pulled by a class 40 (hence heavy) Mondays and Wednesdays only Muir of Ord to Doncaster (Didn't think it had the Route Availability for this far north?). Can anybody tell me why or what was in it? It has the Train Identification Number 6S43 for the Down train arriving MofO at 08.11. TIN for the Up train is 6E64 departing MofO at 18.05. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 This would be 'whisky wagons' (grain hoppers) empty to/loaded from East Anglia. <edit> Both Tri-ang and Trix made models of them in the 1960s: http://www.southportmodelrailway.org.uk/page21/page32/page10/ Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted May 15, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2016 Thank you. So the "Doncaster" on the WTT is not the final destination, just a stopping off point? Sorry, I am so ignorant that I need to ask silly questions. I have a rail atlas on order from which I may be able to spot the marshalling yards etc.: but this doesn't help with the type of freight being carried (assuming it isn't just sundries or wagon load, which as a special train I guess it wouldn't be). By the way, I have a whole rake of grain wagons - mainly Scottish Grain Distillers. I thought that the grain came from Fife? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clachnaharry Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 IIRC correctly the grain originated in East Anglia (North Elham?). There were also trains to Roseilsle and Burghead via Aberdeen. I am not sure if these were combined with the Muir of Ord wagons or if they were separate trains. Class 40's were regularly used on freights as far north as Invergordon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 IIRC correctly the grain originated in East Anglia (North Elham?). There were also trains to Roseilsle and Burghead via Aberdeen. I am not sure if these were combined with the Muir of Ord wagons or if they were separate trains. Class 40's were regularly used on freights as far north as Invergordon. The grain originated from a number of terminals in East Anglia and Lincolnshire; the former would be formed into train-loads at Whitemoor, then worked via Doncaster, where Lincolnshire traffic was added. Page 78 of 'Railfreight since 1968- Wagonload' has a detailed breakdown of trunk and feeder services. 6S40 was Doncaster- Burghead, attaching at York, whilst 6S43 was Doncaster to Dufftown or Muir of Ord, also attaching at York. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted May 15, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2016 Thank you all so much. I am gradually getting the picture clear. Thanks "Fat Controller" for the book reference - I had found it in the catalogues but was unsure whether it would help: now I know it will be worth the money. Please if anyone has other suggestions of books or whatever for me I would be grateful. Now I am really ashamed I didn't know where the grain for my whisky came from. Thankfully I am not too old to learn and this site fortunately has a lot of patient people who help others. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Thank you. So the "Doncaster" on the WTT is not the final destination, just a stopping off point? Sorry, I am so ignorant that I need to ask silly questions. I have a rail atlas on order from which I may be able to spot the marshalling yards etc.: but this doesn't help with the type of freight being carried (assuming it isn't just sundries or wagon load, which as a special train I guess it wouldn't be). By the way, I have a whole rake of grain wagons - mainly Scottish Grain Distillers. I thought that the grain came from Fife? I think there was also coastal shipping of grain from East Anglian ports to Leith, and other Eastern Scottish ports, which was then forwarded in SGD and LGW wagons to the various distilleries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted May 15, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2016 I think there was also coastal shipping of grain from East Anglian ports to Leith, and other Eastern Scottish ports, which was then forwarded in SGD and LGW wagons to the various distilleries. That's interesting again. I have found another train going to "Leith " - so this may be the reflection of what you are telling me above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 This would be 'whisky wagons' (grain hoppers) empty to/loaded from East Anglia. <edit> Both Tri-ang and Trix made models of them in the 1960s: http://www.southportmodelrailway.org.uk/page21/page32/page10/ Bill Lima also made a later version of the "Whisky Blues" BRT Grain hopper, its a wagon type that could really do with being re released to current standards imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Lima also made a later version of the "Whisky Blues" BRT Grain hopper, its a wagon type that could really do with being re released to current standards imho. Has Bachmann not? or are they different wagons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Has Bachmann not? or are they different wagons? Different wagons with different suspensions and body details. The original Trix ones, re-released by Bachmann, are the type fitted with leaf springs:- http://www.ehattons.com/118927/Trix_1690_37T_Bulk_Grain_Hopper_Abbot_s_Choice_/StockDetail.aspx. The Lima ones had 'Pedestal' suspension, with coil springs:- http://www.ebay.ie/itm/LIMA-305651-BR-BRT-PROCOR-HAIG-WHISKY-HOPPER-WAGON-5834-BOXED-nf-/371593157575?hash=item5684ad9bc7:g:vXEAAOSwSzdXA-kP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Different wagons with different suspensions and body details. The original Trix ones, re-released by Bachmann, are the type fitted with leaf springs:- http://www.ehattons.com/118927/Trix_1690_37T_Bulk_Grain_Hopper_Abbot_s_Choice_/StockDetail.aspx. The Lima ones had 'Pedestal' suspension, with coil springs:- http://www.ebay.ie/itm/LIMA-305651-BR-BRT-PROCOR-HAIG-WHISKY-HOPPER-WAGON-5834-BOXED-nf-/371593157575?hash=item5684ad9bc7:g:vXEAAOSwSzdXA-kP But they worked together. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtgraincovhop Written up in : Ratcliffe, David (1994) Whisky on the Wagon - the operational history of the BRTE Bulk grain vans. Modellers'Backtrack vol. 4 (part 1) pp 04 - 10. Replaced by Polybulks, which also worked from various sites in East Anglia before becoming a block train for Scotland http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/maltsterspolybulk Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 But they worked together. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtgraincovhop Written up in : Ratcliffe, David (1994) Whisky on the Wagon - the operational history of the BRTE Bulk grain vans. Modellers'Backtrack vol. 4 (part 1) pp 04 - 10. Replaced by Polybulks, which also worked from various sites in East Anglia before becoming a block train for Scotland http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/maltsterspolybulk Paul With some of the later 4-wheel ones being retro-fitted with air brakes to supplement the Polybulks:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtgraincovhop/h36c5b8f1#h36c5b8f1 Lima did a nice version of this livery, but the effect was marred by the fact they'd used a moulding integral with the body for the side 'posters', which they left in place on the Grainflow version. It was the very devil to remove with file and razor saw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Assuming that the Trix liveries are not fictional, how long did the advertising boards/posters last? They're obviously gone in Paul's pictures. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Assuming that the Trix liveries are not fictional, how long did the advertising boards/posters last? They're obviously gone in Paul's pictures. Bill See Ratcliffe 2004 as already referred to. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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