RMweb Premium Ray H Posted May 31, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2016 Kev Do you have any provision for draining the track bed or don't you find it needs it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 Hi Ray, I have found it does not need it as there is a slight run off across the boards. Also the track is not ballasted and the covering is heavy duty mineralised roofing felt. Kevin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) The J50 is progressing - I now have cut off all the moulded on side handrails, drilled the holes and fitted the new pillars and wire. I will post photos later - it's nice and sunny for photography today. I then got busy with the soldering iron and made the coal rails. Edited December 30, 2022 by kes missing 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 Injectors and brake gear to go on next - once I have made them. Then I will fix the cab roof on and fill the gaps. The last parts to fit will be guard irons, vac pipes and those open front foot steps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Been away for 10 days in Mid Wales, doing the Severn Valley and Gloucestershire/Warwickshire Railways and The Forest of Dean Railway, where we saw Met No1 in steam. Much walking and cycling, and in the evenings, I built an O gauge Gresley 51' brake third ! Well - what else do you do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Don't Forget - Whitby Model Railway Show, at Goathland Village Hall, Sat/Sun 23/24th of July. Free parking, light refreshments and only £1 entry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) The J50 now has a coat of satin black on the body, as is gently cooking in the conservatory. The 45 degree heat in there has finally set the Humbrol satin black! - took 3 days. Edited December 30, 2022 by kes missing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) The J50 has been progressing, it now has transfers, and is awaiting the front steps, coal, injectors and much weathering. It also needs the buffer shanks painting black yet. Ian Kirk Gresley suburban coaches are coming along - these were built when we were on holiday! Edited December 30, 2022 by kes missing 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Smith Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 The J50 now has a coat of satin black on the body, as is gently cooking in the conservatory. The 45 degree heat in there has finally set the Humbrol satin black! - took 3 days. Humbrol seems to be rubbish these days, it really does. I would use Halfords car Matt Black spray which is actually satin finish, goes on nicely and sets off fast. Those J50s are a nice chunky looking loco, with the slope to the top of the tanks. Nice work! John 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 Today, with the increased condensation in the mornings, I have removed most of the stock from the shed and put it to bed in the shoe boxes. I have retained some Lima mineral wagons and plastic wheeled coaches to give me something to run during the winter months. Back to building wagons and coaches over the coming months! Kevin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) The Gresleys have reached the point of being painted teak and have 150 windows cut and fitted (!) the next job is to fix the transfers , then varnish and weather the beasts. Edited December 30, 2022 by kes missing 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) During lockdown I built my remaining Kirk kit, a LNER five comp brake third suburban. They were quite rare beasts, I think only 12 were built, some for use in Scotland, and a few in GE territory. So I now have a rake of five Gresley teak suburbans to run once the spring is upon us. The brake is awaiting weathering and final varnishing. The pictures came out a bit washed out as I was trying to get them before the rain started! Edited December 30, 2022 by kes added pictures. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted December 30, 2022 Author Share Posted December 30, 2022 I have added the missing photos to the thread, not all are present as some don't exist anymore. I have done my best. Kevin. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 I have not posted anything for over a year to this thread. My shed is 15' 8" x 5' 8" internal dimensions, and experimenting with some Rivarossi set track curves, of 80cm radius, and Lima ones of 70cm radius shows I could get a continuous run in there. Even more remarkable is a trial run using locos and stock shows the following will run around them using 3 link or Dingham couplings:- Dapol 57xx, Dapol Terrier, Heljan 122, and GWR railcar, Minerva tank engines, Dapol 08, with four wheel wagons up to the 20 ton LNER plate wagon. My bogie coaches ( all Kirk kits) need a tiny amount removing from the inside of the solebars to stop the wheels rubbing. I will have NO reverse curves, so propelling is not a problem. I will let you know what I have to do as I go along. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, kes said: I have not posted anything for over a year to this thread. My shed is 15' 8" x 5' 8" internal dimensions, and experimenting with some Rivarossi set track curves, of 80cm radius, and Lima ones of 70cm radius shows I could get a continuous run in there. Even more remarkable is a trial run using locos and stock shows the following will run around them using 3 link or Dingham couplings:- Dapol 57xx, Dapol Terrier, Heljan 122, and GWR railcar, Minerva tank engines, Dapol 08, with four wheel wagons up to the 20 ton LNER plate wagon. My bogie coaches ( all Kirk kits) need a tiny amount removing from the inside of the solebars to stop the wheels rubbing. I will have NO reverse curves, so propelling is not a problem. I will let you know what I have to do as I go along. Interesting! Are you getting the Dapol Terrier and 08 around Lima 700mm curves with Dingham or 3-link coupling? My own experiments with Dingham's on tight curves resulted in them bending. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 Hi Goldfish, it is early days and experimentation at the present, but here are some rough photos of my Terrier and 57xx both fitted with rigid Dinghams, i.e not sprung in the buffer beam. Both the locos and the wagons buffers are lightly sprung. I have used the longest rigid wagon I own, a 20T LNER plate wagon. The sideways movement withing the Dingham loop is at its maximum when one vehicle is on the straight and the other is entering the curve. In all my cases of trials the loop is not being bent sideways. I will be laying the curves so the radius is exact and continuous, so no kinks at fishplates and no gaps between the rail ends. It proves it can be done. This is the 57xx on the 70cm rad curve. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 (edited) Here it is on the straight with the wagon attached, then as it enters the curve, then with both on the curve. Edited January 1 by kes . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 Here are some photos of the Terrier with the wagon on the straight, entering the curve and on the curve, with the engine both ways around. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 (edited) And of course Marc at Pre-grouping Railways does the Flippem coupling, which is a more robust and wider-looped variation of the Dingham if you need more sideways movement. Just search for Flippem Couplings on RM Web. I should be laying the test line in the shed later this week, so I shall report on my findings and tweaks as they happen. Some of my stock is 3 link, so may need a longer 2nd link depending on the buffer compression. My trains on this line will only be 3 or 4 wagons or 2 or 3 four wheeled coaches so the loads are small. If I can get things around this 70cm radius curve, I should have no problems with the Rivarossi 80cm curves which will form a high level circuit. Edited January 1 by kes added more info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 For a rough comparison, the 70cm curve is 27" rad, which equates to 15 1/2" rad in oo - 1st radius. The 80cm curve is 31" rad, which equates to 17" rad in oo - 2nd radius. So it should be possible to get most things around these as long as you have enough side play in the wheel bearings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 59 minutes ago, kes said: For a rough comparison, the 70cm curve is 27" rad, which equates to 15 1/2" rad in oo - 1st radius. The 80cm curve is 31" rad, which equates to 17" rad in oo - 2nd radius. So it should be possible to get most things around these as long as you have enough side play in the wheel bearings. Thank you for the photographs, they are most thought provoking. My failed attempt with Dingham's was on 627mm radius, so a little ridiculous. I abandoned the idea of automatic couplings completely and went over to LMC pattern drop links. I have recently increased the radius of my tail chasing loop to 27" and so I will watch your progress with interest. The temptation to get a Terrier is getting stronger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) On 01/01/2024 at 15:09, kes said: My trains on this line will only be 3 or 4 wagons or 2 or 3 four wheeled coaches so the loads are small. If I can get things around this 70cm radius curve, I should have no problems with the Rivarossi 80cm curves which will form a high level circuit. I have a couple of Dapol Stroudley Mainline 4-wheel coaches which I tried on Lima 700mm curves before settling on 27" curves. This is them on the straight, at the start of the 700mm curve, and fully on the 700mm curve with 3-link couplings. The problem I found was that with my ETS Terrier I got buffer lock when pushing them into the 700mm curve with the front buffers. The rear buffers worked fine, it might just have been a feature of this particular locomotive. This did however prompt me to use a 800mm (31.5") curve as a transition onto the 27" curves. This appears to have solved the problem, but I suspect that this is the longest rigid wheelbase that will work reliably with 3-link couplings. The slightly wider entrance curve also looks better, at least to my eyes. I should add that 700mm reverse curves are not possible with Dapol 4-wheel coaches and 3-link couplings. Edited January 3 by goldfish Added important information. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 Very useful photos. I might make some progress later this week. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 You might consider renaming this thread to indicate that it now covers a shed layout as well as a garden railway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kes Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 I think I will be starting a new thread for the minimum radius lines within the shed once I have carried out some more testing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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