RMweb Gold Donw Posted February 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2 21 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: It stood at the east end of Platform 8 but applied to No 6 Bay (between Platforms 5 and 8). The big water tower (the source for hydraulic power for the station) in the background helps fix the spot. All totally unrecognisable today apart from Reading Bridge House in the left background which doesn't look much different from back then. I recognised the location and used to catch the DEMU there to travel to Crowthorne for a few months in 1967. I worked in Reading Bridge House at one time. Oddly enough I cannot remember what was there before probably because after crossing the lock I would walk across to the railway and follow that round. There always used to be a black pannier or two around in my schooldays. Don 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 Thank you all for your helpful pictures and suggestions. After an agonising week of backache, I've managed to complete the bracket signal and get it to work. Fortunately my customer only wanted one route indicator flag to work and didn't need the RI itself illuminated which made things much simpler. The etch for all this will be modified to sort all the problems out when the next batch of things go for etching.. Cheers JF 11 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 Hot off the bench! BR(WR) bracket, all from my own Boltons Bits etches. LED lit and servo operated as usual.... 6 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Another bracket signal but of a company I've never built a signal from. SECR balanced bracket made entirely from my own etches. it has scratchbuilt trimmers, MSE finials and planks laser cut for me by Nikki Wilkes. The spectacle plates weren't available so I had to get those etched and the brackets are 2 part back to back etches for each side. It's servo operated and LED lit. The LEDs are wired to the servo feed as usual.. More Soon JF 13 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted March 14 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14 Nice work Jon, I wonder why they needed the shade over the green. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted March 14 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14 (edited) 14 hours ago, Donw said: Nice work Jon, I wonder why they needed the shade over the green. Don Usually in conjunction with a colour light head for Y (YY) G at the fringes of a colourlight area. The Southern were particularly fond of that fringing arrangement. Perhaps that part is yet to come. Paul. See below for correct explanation! Edited March 15 by 5BarVT Ref to later posts. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Donw said: Nice work Jon, I wonder why they needed the shade over the green. Don It was known as an Annett's Shield after the signal engineer who designed it. Very common on the L&SWR. It's purpose was to prevent 'stray' light from behind the arm giving a false 'green' when the arm was at danger. When the SR changed from LQ to UQ arms the position of the green aspect changed to being in front of the post rather than to the side - not a problem on nice thick wooden posts, but with lattice posts or those built of 2 rails with a large gap between them the same risk of a false green existed. That was solved by fixing a rectangular plate to the post immediately behind the spectacle plate - often not noticeable in photographs unless the arm was 'off'. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, 5BarVT said: Usually in conjunction with a colour light head for Y (YY) G at the fringes of a colourlight area. The Southern were particularly fond of that fringing arrangement. Perhaps that part is yet to come. Paul. That was a different thing from the purpose of an Annett's Shield, which is what the photo shows. In the C/L example, I think the semaphore green aspect was blanked off completely ? 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 It’s necessary because it’s sunny down here in Kent (well, sometimes :) ) 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 All interesting answers about the shield. I just fitted them as the various pictures of SECR signals I was working from showed either the shields or the brackets formerly holding them to be fitted. As previously pointed out, the LSWR fitted them too and the practice was carried on by the SR. When I built my first rail built signal I wondered why the plate was on the post until I had that "oooh yes" moment of realisation 😆.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted March 15 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15 13 hours ago, RailWest said: It was known as an Annett's Shield after the signal engineer who designed it. Very common on the L&SWR. It's purpose was to prevent 'stray' light from behind the arm giving a false 'green' when the arm was at danger. When the SR changed from LQ to UQ arms the position of the green aspect changed to being in front of the post rather than to the side - not a problem on nice thick wooden posts, but with lattice posts or those built of 2 rails with a large gap between them the same risk of a false green existed. That was solved by fixing a rectangular plate to the post immediately behind the spectacle plate - often not noticeable in photographs unless the arm was 'off'. Thank you - should have gone to . . . Now I look properly I can see that the shield is fixed to the post not the arm. I wonder if it’s the same Annett as in GF release instruments. 12 hours ago, RailWest said: That was a different thing from the purpose of an Annett's Shield, which is what the photo shows. In the C/L example, I think the semaphore green aspect was blanked off completely ? Yes, a plate in place of the green glass. Paul. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, 5BarVT said: Thank you - should have gone to . . . Now I look properly I can see that the shield is fixed to the post not the arm. I wonder if it’s the same Annett as in GF release instruments. Yes, a plate in place of the green glass. Paul. Yes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Freeman Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) Annett was in charge of LSWR signalling around the turn of the century, so no surprise on them being fitted to many LSWR signals. The SECR may be a different matter, I think that the SR may have fitted them though on checking I see the SECR also used Stevens arms. The southern were not averse to using equipment far from its original stomping ground i.e. the finials-LC&DR - on the home signals at seaton junction (there is a good photo in Southern Infrastructure vol 2) Mr Annett was seemingly very innovative,amongst other things he also designed a route indicator, which was very similar in operation to the GWR cash register type, he even took out a patent for it but I have never found an instance of it being used in anger. Edited March 16 by Stephen Freeman 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 The latest 7mm signal off the bench. LMS 2 doll balanced bracket with stop and call-on arms. All LED lit and servo operated and all from my own etches. The lamp cases are 3D printed ones that Simon Dobson did for me. Legend! JF 8 1 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmudriver Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Superb, Jon. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted May 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2 The signal is really good but the weathering really makes it. Don 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Steve Hewitt Posted May 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2 Fantastic as ever Jon. Steve 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 3 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3 13 hours ago, Donw said: The signal is really good but the weathering really makes it. Don Agree absolutely - the weathering on the arms makes them look very convincingly real. But the whole signal is as much the work of a very observant artist as it is the work of a skilled model maker. Smashing stuff once again Jon. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted Thursday at 18:21 Author Share Posted Thursday at 18:21 A couple more of those lovely LMS / BR(M) types for your delectation! A standard tubular post stop/distant/calling on signal and an LMS 14" parallell lattice post offset bracket, all from my own etches. Both of these are LED lit and servo operated... The paintwork turned out a tad rough due to warm weather drying out the spray a little though. Weathering has helped a little but...😬 More to come soon.. JF 8 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted Thursday at 18:59 RMweb Gold Share Posted Thursday at 18:59 The parallel lattice post is interesting - you can see where the idea for the square post with welded flat panels between the corner angles came from. Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted Thursday at 19:57 Author Share Posted Thursday at 19:57 51 minutes ago, 5BarVT said: The parallel lattice post is interesting - you can see where the idea for the square post with welded flat panels between the corner angles came from. Paul. I think so too. The welded stem post was made from 2 [ section pieces joined with flat plates and must have taken a lot less time to make as well. The parallell lattice was available in 12" and 14" depending on loading but the welded stem was, I think only one size. The LNER ones were slightly more complex being made from 4 L sections joined by flat plates...and tapered too. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted yesterday at 09:39 RMweb Gold Share Posted yesterday at 09:39 Lovely to see the lattice in the 'proper' pre 'paint almost everything on a signal grey' LM Region approach to life. interesting balance weights too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted yesterday at 13:37 Author Share Posted yesterday at 13:37 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: Lovely to see the lattice in the 'proper' pre 'paint almost everything on a signal grey' LM Region approach to life. interesting balance weights too. Thank you, I've never liked the grey stage. Even the signalboxes around Bolton were White black and a grey colour called "goose wing" back in the late 1970s.. The balance weights are from when it used to have a stop and distant arm and are just a loose interpretation of a slot. Having said that I've just had to do a grey/white LM signal bracket..🤢 This old beast of a signal is now being re-jigged and upgraded to be moved on to a new owner. It has quite a history which was detailed waaaay back in this thread many moons ago. Ever onwards I suppose.. JF Edited yesterday at 14:11 by Jon Fitness moving pix about.. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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