billy_anorak59 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 A few years ago my missus picked up a couple of framed photographs from a car boot that she thought I may be interested in. I found them again the other day, and was wondering if anyone on here could do a what, when, where job on them? The photos are of what appear to be constructor-type 0-6-0 tanks – the backgrounds look to be either a work in progress, or a mining environment. I’ve found a photo of a loco on the web that is similar to ‘Victoria’ – could it be a Black, Hawthorn and Co product? But I’ve no idea regarding ‘Coronation’. They must have meant a lot to someone, as they’ve taken the time to frame them – and ideas/info? 'Victoria': 'Coronation': Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2017 Coronation looks like a Manning Wardle to me. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Cat Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 There's a reference to a Manning Wardle 0-6-ST Coronation here. There's also a couple of 0-6-0STs called Victoria in the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_anorak59 Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ooh! Thanks chaps - very much appreciated! So Coronation may be '0-6-0ST MW 1561/1902 ' ? The garb of the crew looks right for the turn of the century, and the plate behind the boy with the oil can's head looks like it could just read '61' - the last two numbers of 1561? The other 'Victoria's' in the list that Orange Cat provided a link to seem to be 0-4-0s? Thanks again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Black Hawthorn 1078 of 1892 was an 0-6-0ST named "VICTORIA", supplied to a contractor named David Shanks. Along with 0-4-0ST BH 1074/1892 "AIRDRIE", it was used on a contract for widening of the North Eastern Railway Pelaw Main to Felling line. Both locos were then put up for sale in the Contractor's yard at Felling in June 1895. One list shows that "VICTORIA" subsequently went to Henry Hews Ltd, Hall Cown Quarry, Britannia, Bacup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 There are a lot of errors in that list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Black Hawthorn 1078 of 1892 was an 0-6-0ST named "VICTORIA", supplied to a contractor named David Shanks. Along with 0-4-0ST BH 1074/1892 "AIRDRIE", it was used on a contract for widening of the North Eastern Railway Pelaw Main to Felling line. Both locos were then put up for sale in the Contractor's yard at Felling in June 1895. One list shows that "VICTORIA" subsequently went to Henry Hews Ltd, Hall Cown Quarry, Britannia, Bacup. In the list supplied both a Victoria and Coronation are working for that contractor together, so quite possibly the same locos, however it doesn't appear to be on the job the list lists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The list linked by Orange Cat incorrectly lists BH 1078 as an 0-4-0ST, but (Quarryscapes beat me to it) also has MW 1561 listed with the same contractor - as also shown in other MW lists. [Edit - I meant to say "incorrectly lists as an 0-4-0ST", but put "0-6-0ST" instead. Now corrected.] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mcowgill Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2017 Coronation's a fairly standard Manning Wardle of about the turn of the century. Here's a link to the Middleton's Matthew Murray MW1601 or 1903, looks as if Coronation could be the same design. http://c9425687.myzen.co.uk/MRT2/index.php/museum-collection/rolling-stock-steam-locomotives/s9-manning-wardle-1601 Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2017 I spotted two 0-6-0STs named Victoria in the list, MW 589 of 1876 and Peckett 634 of 1897. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 There are a lot of errors in that list I think it's taken from the lists produced by David Coles/Union Publications, which I think ran to seven volumes. As you say, proof-reading left much to be desired! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The prints look good - I wonder if a magnifying glass would reveal the details on the makers plates to confirm or deny? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Manning Wardle 1561/1902 "CORONATION" was a standard K class 0-6-0ST, supplied new to David Shanks (or more correctly, by that time, The Executors of David Shanks) for the completion of the Redheugh Deviation and Dunston extension for the North Eastern Railway (the former originally contracted to John Nelson in 1899), 1902-1904. Having been put up for sale after the Pelaw Main-Felling contract was completed (1895), it appears that VICTORIA was then employed by (The Executors of) David Shanks on the widening of the NER Penshaw-Wapping Branch, 1900-1902, along with three more 0-6-0STs, all second-hand: ACKLINGTON (Fox Walker 371/1878); PEGGY (Hudswell Clarke 540/1900) and DUNSTON (MW 1446/1899). PEGGY and DUNSTON, along with VICTORIA, joined CORONATION on the projects given above. Upon completion of the Durham contracts, CORONATION went on to a contract in Doncaster, and VICTORIA went to Bacup, Lancashire (as previously noted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Cat Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The list linked by Orange Cat incorrectly lists BH 1078 as an 0-6-0ST, The list has BH 1078 as an 0-4-0ST. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_anorak59 Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Very many thanks to all - it looks although the David Stranks connection as pointed out by EddieB is a strong possibility. I'm going to take Quarryscapes query on board and have a look with a magnifying glass when I get home (I should have thought to do that...) - the prints are indeed good, and are only shown up by my photography (I didn't want to take the frames apart to scan). I won't be able to report back until Monday however - I've got a busy weekend ahead. All the help and pointers are very much appreciated - thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 The list has BH 1078 as an 0-4-0ST. Please see my correction of my earlier post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Cat Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Please see my correction of my earlier post. Guess that's how the errors got in the original list too. Looks like you've solved the mystery of the locos in the pictures though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_anorak59 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Looks like the identity mystery is solved. I took a look with a magnifying glass and can state that the worksplates show as: For ‘CORONATION’ (half the plate is obscured by the chaps' head): …ING WARDLE & Co …61 …S 1902 And for ‘VICTORIA’: BL.ICT.HAWTHORN.ICT LIMITED 1076 ENGINEERS 1896 GATESHEAD ON TYNE (not sure about the ‘ICT’ bits, but that’s what it looks like, as does the ‘6’ in ‘1896’ – although EddieB states ‘1892’… so might be my eyes, as they’re at full zoom) Guess that the photos show the ‘David Shanks’ era c.1904-ish then, many thanks to one and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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