stu357 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Thought I'd create a workbench thread, there are a lot of projects that I've started over the last 5 years but they seem to be packed away in boxes, unfinished or just waiting for that last little piece. My favourite is this Lima chassied Hornby railroad class 08, I built a couple of these, they are in a separate thread but the photobox links need updating. (EDIT: links are now updated, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79028-trying-to-detail-a-railroad-class-08/) and one currently underway, a Wrenn body on a Bachmann chassis, there is no reason for either of these, especially when you know how good the Super detail Hornby 08 is, but its just the kind of thing I end up doing! Stu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 I always had a soft spot for Lima and Hornby 37s. I did a few Limas, re-shaped tumble-home, extra 1mm in body height, new noses. re-cut sand filler holes. plated the roof I took a casting of a VI-trains nose that I modified and all the variants were modified and re cast. the plan was to detail the Lima chassis eventually. all the decals are worked in photoshop and printed on crafty computer paper. the screens were filed up blanks fitted in a VI trains model and then cast using silicone moulds and clear resin, the lima's holes were then filed out to fit. then I had a go at a Hornby model, front one is a VI trains resprayed. rear is a Hornby. most work was on the chassis, that is the original Hornby with the bogies moved further apart, better tanks and lima side frames. then I bought some Bachmann chassis and gave up with the lima/Hornby/VI trains ones! As you can see, although its on a Bachmann chassis, I was loosing interest, windows not finished / no horns etc... I didnt like the finish I'd acheived on these so started a new batch based on Hornby bodies with re shaped fronts, a copy of a Bachmann screen surround and etched details. theres not much Hornby left once you get going! anyway, I started too many at once, it was taking so long, I lost interest again. thay are still "on my workbench" but relegated to the back! there's an actual Bachmann one there and 2nd from the back a Hornby using a craftsman detail pack, you can see the screens are smaller (I don't know why, I just had it so thought i'd use it) so that's as far as I've got with them. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 I've been collecting parts for some West Coast Railways class 33's for a while. Over Xmas I was able to get started on the project. I had been researching what they needed, and found a wealth of info on RMweb, but in many different threads. so hopefully I can post some answers here. I had 2 old Lima 33's, first off I could have done with the later body mouldings with headlamps and the body fixing holes filled in. I sanded off the handrails and moulding flash and filled the holes I didn't need. I tried to cut plastic to the size of the holes to fill exactly so that I didn't use any filler. One question I'd seen asked was about the Heljan 33 lazerglaze windows fitting a Lima body. I bought the 33/1 set and checked it out. the windscreens fit with a tiny gap at the top. the bodyside windows fit nicely. the cab side and headcode windows need a lot of filing, but when you do that it looks a lot more like a 33. I purchased a few Heljan sprues, they were from ebay as a job lot but I think you can get all the important ones from Howes. I filled the Heljan fan grill (this wont fit on top, you have to make an exact hole and sink it almost flush with the roof, headlamp was from the spares box and the rivets on the front were superglue gel dropped in a centre punch hole. I had seen people saying don't use the Lima body as the roof is wrong, but its fairly easy to shave off the exhaust hole, fill the groove on the silencer panel (badly so it looks like a weld line!) and file an oblong hole further along. I put a band of plastic round the hole for the bezel. I took off the rivets and marked out the catches. made a little jig and cut microstrip so they are hopefully all the same length. next onto the chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 I had loads of old CD drive motors, 2 of which turned out to be the 12v ones.I fitted them with scalextric drive sprockets and used one of the others as a jig to drill mounting holes for the original CD drive screws. I replaced the rear trailing bogie wheels with Hornby coach wheels with a sleeve and added extra pick ups and made sure all the gears were the shape that they were supposed to be. That is a really fantastic improvement to the lima chassis and they tun really quiet. that's the original side frames with more detail added, brake rods, steps. I went one step further at this point, I realised the lima axle wheels are easy to turn in a dremel with a file. I removed the lima wheels, turned down the axle ends and put more Hornby coach wheels on the original axle.the drive cogs can be separated from the original wheels quite easily as they are just held on by the plastic in the centre. I cut that off and araldited it to the back of the wheel.Sounds simple but everything was a nightmare to get centered and running true! looking at the sprues I had, I realised there was enough to make up a pair of Heljan bogies, these cut down quite well to make replacements for the trailing bogies, with the lima pivot pin. It was so much trouble to get the wheels true, on the second chassis I decided to leave the lima wheels in the drive bogie. but to get rid of the traction tyres. to do this I removed the drive wheel, turned round the axle and used a spare wheel off the trailing bogie to replace the traction tyre wheel. Again I had to bond the drive sprocket to the back of the wheel. I then turned the front face of the wheels in a dremel to try and get them to match the look of the others. Here are the chassis ready to go. that is a train-tech SFX20 sound module in the back chassis. Interesting thing for a talking point and if you drive knowing its in there it gives quite a good effect. the novelty might soon wear off though! You can see I use stick on car wheel weights to make up for the lack of traction tyres. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 There was a lot of discussion on other pages about Halfords car paints for railway colours. I've used them and like the paint, if you heat the can on a radiator and shake well they give a good finish. you can also give a final coat of their satin/ matt lacquer which seems to be compatible with most decals. I couldn't find a match for the West Coast Railways red.though. Its not BR red on the 33s, its darker. in railwy colours it also seems hard to get. You might find the odd railmatch acrilic. So I did an experiment with Halfords Rover Damask Red over black primer and I think I can get away with it. Luckily the WCR coaches I will have will be based on the Your Model Railway Village coaches so there a bit lighter anyway! Damask red over grey on the right and Black on the left, excuse the dust on everything! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 So here we are, first off, 33029 with paint, decals and roof pods. No lamp brackets yet. Could use the Heljan ones but I should make some. No weathering as such yet, thin wash of black round parts of the roof, the frame is sprayed mat black with an overspray of mat light brown. I realised I missed the cutting off and re attaching of the Lima tanks. they are not fully see through but have more "depth" rear shot, the train reporting codes are a mixture of the info here. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/74782-br-southern-region-diesel-electro-diesel-locomotive-headcodes/ and here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/9221-class-33-train-reporting-codesblinds/ thanks to Andy Y and Ceptic Stu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 This shows the paint shade difference between the coach and train, I'm reasonably happy with that. One day I'll finish any of the things in the background! Stu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 And following on close behind, 33207. OK, so its not really any slimmer. where I used the Heljan side frames glued to the Lima chassis I didn't shave as much off the back leaving them more flush to the body. To be honest maybe the other one should be fatter! and in their pair, that's why the inner ends have Kadee's. they actually run really well as a pair even though the drives are two different ages (one with clip on gear retainer and one with bolts. I might actually finish these..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 yellow panel, that looks a lot more "British" Bit more Damask red over black, nearly ready for some transfers...... Better leave it to dry insteead of risking fingerprints, Stu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted January 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2017 I really like how you're taking these old models and making them look so good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 You are putting some serious effort into these old models ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Some progress on these yesterday. got the lamp brackets on, and got closer to finishing 33207 Extream closups. Didnt realize how splattery the paint was on the chassis on the right or that the chassis wasn't fitted properly till I saw these photos! Stu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Literally, photos on a plank... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Had a re think of the body fixing after looking at my own photos, I added this piece of wire which bites in to a small groove in the body, it holds it a bit tighter. Its better, but the gap needs to be a lot tighter as its supposed to be a slim bodied 33. Heres some more shots in the gallery, Lima Class 33 Stu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu357 Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 I've moved on to some Lima 73s now, I have been re-wheeling them, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/120233-cheap-lima-73-re-wheeling/ and now I've started rearranging the fuel tanks etc. I cut up the Lima mouldings and added some air tanks which I made one of and cast more. I tried to make the compressor more round looking, but there is only so much you can do with a totally flat part! there was only one thing for it, construct a new one. I tried to think about the way I would cast it to reproduce more. so here it is with a couple more bits of wire added. and the general layout, they are destined to be GBRF 73141 and 142 as they were in 2013 when I saw 73141 at Blackfriars. I'd like to model the 3rd one as one of the newly rebuilt 73s but I cant quite work out whats under them yet! Stu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Really enjoying this thread, how do you go about re-shaping tumblehome on the Lima/Hornby 37s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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