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A change from MOL ACE, one of the Nissan car carriers in Tanjong Pagar this morning, World Spirit. Also a couple of recent cruise visitors, the German ship tends to come in stern first  so it was nice to see it bow first.

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I know what you're all thinking - those vehicles carriers are such beautiful looking ships, could it be possible for anything to be more pleasing than the sight of one of these magnificent symbols of naval architectural excellentness? Yes, three of them. There were two more sitting at anchor slightly to the west too. Singapore, the Clapham Junction of the vehicle carrier world.

 

 

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7 hours ago, jjb1970 said:

I know what you're all thinking - those vehicles carriers are such beautiful looking ships, could it be possible for anything to be more pleasing than the sight of one of these magnificent symbols of naval architectural excellentness? Yes, three of them. There were two more sitting at anchor slightly to the west too. Singapore, the Clapham Junction of the vehicle carrier world.

 

 

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An internal feature of car carriers which an observer may not appreciate.

The typical height of many car decks to the overhead beams is about 1.6 metres.  Mind your head! 

 

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3 hours ago, AncientMariner said:

 

 

An internal feature of car carriers which an observer may not appreciate.

The typical height of many car decks to the overhead beams is about 1.6 metres.  Mind your head! 

 

John H

 

The big multi-purpose ships have reconfigurable decks which can be raised/lowered depending on load. It's a very interesting ship type which has three basic types. In official materials there are two types, pure car carrier (PCC) and pure car and truck carrier (PCTC), but the second type has a sub-set of heavy PCTC (such as the Wallenius Wilhelmsen HERO ships) which operate liner services and carry large outsize cargo. Stuff like large transformers, industrial machinery, trains etc. The Tanjong Pagar ro-ro terminal is basically a car terminal with some commercial vehicles so the ships I see are mainly just vanilla PCCs. The big heavy ships go into Jurong.

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A few photos from Malaga and nearby.

Firstly, I Dynasty, a $200M superyacht belonging to the estate of a billionaire from Kazakhstan.

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U 81 - A curious cross between a support vessel and a luxury yacht – designed to carry the various toys that those owning a yacht might need to have close to hand. Fitted to carry not only launches and jet skis but evidently equipped to operate a helicopter.

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København - a Danish sail training ship.

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The constabulary’s run about.

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Poor old Willow, built in the 1920s for the US lighthouse service on the Mississippi. Shipped to the UK in the 1990s, then to Benalmadena where it has been derelict for about 20 years. Having now settled on the bottom of the harbour, it looks ripe for a case of constructive arson (if only to save on legal fees).

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Best wishes 

Eric 

 

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This one is interesting, yes it's just another MOL car carrier but the Port side is interesting. I never noticed this before and it's not the first time I've seen the Courageous Ace but the ship was clearly designed to have a pory side door and ramp which are not there. The ramp isn't fitted and the 'door' looks more like a welded over blanking plate. I'm not sure whether it was 'fitted for but not with' or removed to avoid the ongoing maintenance of a port side door and ramp if they were never used. However, it'd add cost to the design and build either way.

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This is a ship I've posted pics of many times, the Genting Dream which is operated by Resorts World Sentosa to operate mini cruises out of Singapore. The cruise market here is slightly different as both the Dream and the Spectrum of the Seas which is based here provide mini-cruises rather than longer itineraries. They go up the Malacca Strait or into the Gulf of Thailand for a day, turn around and come back, voyages are 2 - 3 days. That's partly because people here like to just get away for a day or two (local 'staycations' in hotels are also popular) as many people share apartments with families, and partly because a major attraction is gambling. Gambling is very tightly controlled in Singapore and the cruise ships offer casinos and gambling. Why I mention this is that a friend of my wife just had a free trip on the Genting Dream. Free? Her mother spends so much in the casino she gets free voyages, in this case she didn't want it so gave the tickets to our friend. I don't want to think how much you need to gamble to be given regular free cruise tickets. I will say, they keep her immaculate, which is impressive given the crazy paint job. 

 

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On 06/02/2024 at 20:07, 62613 said:

Whjat sort of tonnage are those bunker barges?

 

The one refuelling the cruise ship is a small one about 2500Dwt, the big ones can be about three times this size. Some of the big container ships take huge fuel loads.

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HMS  Prince  of Wales  NOT  seen  off  the  IOW  this  Sunday,  was  supposed  to  be  but  didnt  leave  Portsmouth  as  scheduled.

(as  mentioned  in  the  link)    Picture  was  taken  around  18  months  ago  on  a  previous  break  down. 

 

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The two QEC carriers should be in the sweet spot in terms of operation. It's not unusual for the first couple of years of a ships life to identify issues needing attention, and after 7 or 8 years age rears its head. 

Although systemic problems with design or build can plague a ship for many years, such as the T45 power system which lurched from disaster to disaster with various issues.

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16 hours ago, jjb1970 said:

The two QEC carriers should be in the sweet spot in terms of operation. It's not unusual for the first couple of years of a ships life to identify issues needing attention, and after 7 or 8 years age rears its head. 

Although systemic problems with design or build can plague a ship for many years, such as the T45 power system which lurched from disaster to disaster with various issues.

 

A few months ago, I attended an event at which the after-dinner speaker was a rear admiral who has since left the RN.  In his talk he made an interesting comparison between two ships.

 

Firstly, HMS “Queen Elizabeth”, in which he stated that the vessel had, at that time, an availability for service of about 50 percent.  He then made a comparison with the Cunard cruise liner of the same name, with an availability of 98 percent.

 

Very different ships, of course, built for very different purposes, and technologically very different.  However, the speaker felt that there were lessons to be learnt from this comparison.  

 

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On 03/02/2024 at 06:47, jjb1970 said:

The cruise market here is slightly different as both the Dream and the Spectrum of the Seas which is based here provide mini-cruises rather than longer itineraries. They go up the Malacca Strait or into the Gulf of Thailand for a day, turn around and come back, voyages are 2 - 3 days.

Still common in the US - certainly on the west coast. The Long Beach to Ensenada "Love Boat" run is a long weekend. Three night/four days cruises are more common though. 

 

Plenty of 2 night (one way) cruises on the east coast of Australia too.

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5 hours ago, AncientMariner said:

 

A few months ago, I attended an event at which the after-dinner speaker was a rear admiral who has since left the RN.  In his talk he made an interesting comparison between two ships.

 

Firstly, HMS “Queen Elizabeth”, in which he stated that the vessel had, at that time, an availability for service of about 50 percent.  He then made a comparison with the Cunard cruise liner of the same name, with an availability of 98 percent.

 

Very different ships, of course, built for very different purposes, and technologically very different.  However, the speaker felt that there were lessons to be learnt from this comparison.  

 

John H

 

The disturbing part is that the RN is having so many problems with the power and propulsion systems of some of its ships. The WR21 engine in T45 is unique to that ship class but that is the exception as other engines and most of the transmission hardware are standard commercial items such as Wartsila diesels, the RR MT30 GT, various RR (now Kongsberg) items and Converteam electrical equipment. It's a reasonable question to ask why the propulsion systems of some RN ships have been so troubled when the hardware is all proven high quality equipment apart from the WR21.

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