RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted August 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2019 Im off to Digitrains next week to buy a chip for my Ford Railbus kit build. Any thoughts please on sound files? I am assuming that there won't be a sound file for these, so I guess im looking for a good equivalent. As I have never heard one it's obviously not a major issue. I am thinking of the petrol simplex. Im thinking petrol engine, manual gearbox, underpowered and rattly. What other considerations might there be? Any alternative ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I'd try to get sounds recorded from a Ford Model T car as they were based on these for the railcars. Try a local car club or museum as they will know someone who could help you record the engine sounds. Or bank holiday weekend there might be a few at the transport rally nearby. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Although the 2nd part of the video is annoying - I like that sound. Especially that it shifts gear down when accelerating hard, seems to be manually possible too. Also the failed switching with the screaming noise of the gears. Edit: just found 2 more... https://youtu.be/lRIPc0Ptdo0 https://youtu.be/bqtOuxmkFLU (deeper in sound!) Edited August 22, 2019 by Hamburger 2 links added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted August 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2019 Thank you for that. I love the horn but the engine sounds like a diesel to me. I've gone with the simplex from digitrains - I will post something when I get a rolling chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2019 speak really nicely to the Colonel Stephens Museum they have the keys to start the replica ( alas of the rails at the moment ) version sounded great l heard it. Nick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Picky I know, but a small Simplex had a 2-cylinder engine, and the T has four, so makes a busier sound. Both are nominal 20hp. They do turn-up at transport rallies, and there's a pub near here where they have one that acts as a sort of signpost, but is, much to my surprise, actually a runner. A lot depends upon the exhaust-pipe run, of course - that affects the actual sound. Edited August 22, 2019 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 DCKits do have a County Donegal Railcar but its not on the Website. Contact charlie@dckits.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Brilliant video here, teaching you how to start and control a Model T https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-Lkry-SF01&hsimp=yhs-SF01&hspart=Lkry&p=you+tube+model+T+ford#id=5&vid=9b89cec9b6b13c7546d9cbc5e504319a&action=click Engine is fairly busy, but soft-sounding, none of the "tack" sound of a diesel. And, if you are patient, this video has both a 40hp (4-cylinder) and a 20hp (2-cylinder) Simplex in it. The 20hp sound is very distinctive, lovely! Neither sound much like the Model T to me. https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrExwihH19daFoAFg2c3olQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBncGdyMzQ0BHNlYwNzZWFyY2gEdnRpZAM-;_ylc=X1MDMTM1MTIxMjcwMARfcgMyBGFjdG4DY2xrBGNzcmNwdmlkA25UaFMzakV3TGpFWU9hU3JYTkczN1FBeE1tRXdNQUFBQUFDNGJURW0EZnIDeWhzLUxrcnktU0YwMQRmcjIDc2EtZ3AEZ3ByaWQDMjE2Z0tNMWtRNzZVWlViQWhWUEpkQQRuX3JzbHQDNjAEbl9zdWdnAzAEb3JpZ2luA3VrLnZpZGVvLnNlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20EcG9zAzAEcHFzdHIDBHBxc3RybAMEcXN0cmwDMjcEcXVlcnkDeW91JTIwdHViZSUyMHNpbXBsZXglMjAyMGhwBHRfc3RtcAMxNTY2NTE1MTI2?p=you+tube+simplex+20hp&ei=UTF-8&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av%2Cm%3Asa&fr=yhs-Lkry-SF01&hsimp=yhs-SF01&hspart=Lkry&type=ANYS_A0W7U_ga_bsf¶m1=na3P9yVrJGqvPvCrc1fUv7NSW4AxU3ZRT7r4N8JbhSQPsGrlVTMTqUNBeoV2na7mfZWdnEJfkkH2QoOh1JNFGqJ0ZgxGbAZr-vpwd_Ys2bVi-bfGtWFGXCWPj-kPJAn0AAopUVj5QYLT3H81Mwp9H5xtktXxhiqnzt5_q0rooUBD9KP-z9DwVj6uZ96M-rQOy9aY7EWTjinVr7RVUZH7nm43#id=6&vid=7c0703050a12c0a62adacbe2762b3f52&action=view Edited August 22, 2019 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 The Digitrains Simplex has both a 40HP petrol and an alternative Dorman diesel engine which can be changed rather more quickly and conveniently (by CV) than on the real thing. Best regards, Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted August 23, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2019 Thanks all. I am definitely limited to commercially available sound files so whilst the model t suggestions are great I have no idea how I would translate that to a DCC chip. Im also pretty sure that a rail going vehicle will sound very different to the roadgoing version, not least due to the metal on metal and the altered drive train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted August 29, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 29, 2019 Here it is as a rolling twin chassis with the simplex sound file. One problem is that the driving wheels stop almost dead as the throttle is turned off. I presume I need to play with the inertia settings. Love the claxon!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Hi Colin, Before adjusting CVs, check that F2 is not engaged or F5 is not engaged (or both of them together) as either will temporarilly reduce CV4 momentum and cause the immediate stop that you have shown. The basic sound project has enough momentum set for realistic coasting and to ensure that in normal driving, the engine will spool down to idle before motion ceases. Another feature (if applicable) which will give the same result would be Shunt Mode if engaged. Best regards, Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted August 31, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2019 Thanks Paul. I did try to swap F5 but my Zephyr doesnt seem to show me when the latched functions are on or off I will experiment later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted September 1, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 31/08/2019 at 12:42, pauliebanger said: Hi Colin, Before adjusting CVs, check that F2 is not engaged or F5 is not engaged Hi again Paul. F2 is Manifold Whistle slow on my sound file? Am I misunderstanding? The more I look at this on the rolling road the more it seems that speed is not responding to the throttle at all, it's just on or off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Hi Colin, Sorry, F2 is manual brake on many of my sound projects which would cause the effect you describe if present.Just ignore my comment on F2. The engine speed is either Idle or Power in this project, but the gearchange and final drive whine is related to road speed. When moving, reduce throttle setting by one speed step then immediately increase it again to provoke a 'gear change'. Best regards, Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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