GWR coach window colours

[GWL]

Please could someone with knowledge clarify this for me:

 

It seems  that Collett coaches were initially painted with brown window frames for doors and “lobbies”, but when they changed to the shirt button emblem these windows were painted maroon/red.

 

I’ve just noticed this while window shopping for Collett coaches. I have a Hornby early GWR auto coach (R4547) with brown windows, whereas the current model (R4831) has shirt button emblem and red windows.

 

 

 

my queries:

 

Can anyone provide more info on when and why the windows changed?
 

Would it be unusual to have seen an old and new paint job autocoach together? Or would they all have been changed within a matter of months so only have been seen during that brief transition?

 

Many thanks! G

Edited May 2, 2020 by GWL

[richbrummitt]

GWW or See here http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveries.html under coach livery(ies) for the period(s) you are interested in. 

 

Repainting intervals were around 7 years and with few exceptions coaches were repainted as maintenance dictated rather than because of livery changes. 

Edited May 2, 2020 by richbrummitt

[NCB]

Don't think the GWR ever used brown for window frames and the like. After mahogany itself was discontinued, a sort of red, variously described as mahogany colour or indian red was used for droplights and, where they existed, window bolections.

 

Nigel

[Miss Prism]

It's a complex situation, and I don't pretend to understand it all, and practice probably varied, but look at the picture and the caption of the toplight coach on http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveriescoach1922.html

 

[Miss Prism]

Current Hornby colours for their windows are far too red for me.

 

 

[Dante60513]

I'm currently building Slater's 4 wheeled GWR coaches and going for crimson lake as a mid compromise. Official drawings refer to Venetian Red, which I found too red for scale.

[Miss Prism]

Body colour, bolection colour and droplight colour were the same in the crimson lake scheme.

 

Venetian red is referred only to in the pre-1908 schmeme.