Hornby Hawksworth GWR Chocolate-Cream Livery How Common?

[robmcg]

2 hours ago, County of Yorkshire said:

Ok, so I've consulted my Hugh Longworth book of GWR/LNER coaches, and the following Hawksworths were built and released into revenue earning service before New Year's Eve 1947. As such, I think you can say with 99% certainty that they were outshopped in chocolate and cream livery with the Great - crest - Western signage.

 

Dia C82 (TK)

Nos. 781 to 832

Nos. 855 to 858

 

Dia D131 (BTK)

Nos. 833 to 854

 

Dia E163 (CK)

Nos. 7251 to 7253

 

All other Hawksworth stock was built after nationalisation, so to have any of the other diagrams (the FK, BCK and BG) in chocolate and cream is a fantasy - other than the two BCKs that were kept for special duties and that made it into preservation, as stated by an RMwebber above. 

 

Therefore, you can run the Honby TK, BTK and CK in the Great - crest - Western Chocolate and cream and be 'accurate'. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers.

 

CoY

 

 

 

Exactly what we needed. Thank you.

 

I think the fact that these carriages both before and after natonalisation tended to be run in less than sets makes the addition of them to any trains of the era as singles or pairs more realistic than running them in sets, no matter how good they look together.

 

Cheers

[Miss Prism]

17 hours ago, County of Yorkshire said:

Ok, so I've consulted my Hugh Longworth book of GWR/LNER coaches, and the following Hawksworths were built and released into revenue earning service before New Year's Eve 1947. As such, I think you can say with 99% certainty that they were outshopped in chocolate and cream livery with the Great - crest - Western signage.

 

Dia C82 (TK)

Nos. 781 to 832

Nos. 855 to 858

 

Dia D131 (BTK)

Nos. 833 to 854

 

Dia E163 (CK)

Nos. 7251 to 7253

 

This seems partly at odds with the lot info in the Michael Harris book:

- C82 lot 1691 (781-832) wasn't completed until 12 June 1948 and lot 1714 (855-924) wasn't completed until 29 November 1948;

- E163 lot 1689 (7252-62) wasn't completed until 23 October 1948.

 

Therefore whilst it seems that a few early C82s appeared in full GWR livery, it seems doubtful that any of the E163s did.

 

[robmcg]

8 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

 

This seems partly at odds with the lot info in the Michael Harris book:

- C82 lot 1691 (781-832) wasn't completed until 12 June 1948 and lot 1714 (855-924) wasn't completed until 29 November 1948;

- E163 lot 1689 (7252-62) wasn't completed until 23 October 1948.

 

Therefore whilst it seems that a few early C82s appeared in full GWR livery, it seems doubtful that any of the E163s did.

 

 

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