‘Cackler’ Quarry Hunslet Name

[RateTheFreight]

Afternoon all,

 

Does anyone know the origins of the Quarry Hunslet name ‘Cackler’? It strikes me as an unusual name and presume it had some meaning behind it.

 

On a wider note there seems to be some other interesting names given to the various variations that made up the group of locos particularly ‘King of the Scarlets’, ‘Holy War’, ‘Nesta’ , ‘Rough Pup’ etc. Again any information anyone has on general origins for the names of the Quarry Hunslets would be of interest.

 

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[Victor Vectis]

Racehorses owned by the Assheton Smith family.

[Jeremy Cumberland]

Cackler was originally called Port Dinorwic, and it was presumably renamed Cackler in about 1910, after the racehorse. This was quite a common policy at Dinorwic, although many locomotives retained local names, or names of members of the Assheton-Smith family (Louisa and Alice, for example).

 

There is a painting of Cackler (the racehorse) here: http://www.artnet.com/artists/james-lynwood-palmer/cackler-twice-winner-of-grand-sefton-steeplechase-8ckVeIBYZrwTXydHp91w5Q2.

 

Nesta was a Penrhyn engine, whose policy seems mostly to have named locomotives after members of the Douglas-Pennant family (Baron Penrhyn).

[Nearholmer]

All begs the question as to how they came about the names of their horse, though.

 

IIRC, the locomotive LADAS of the Snowdon Mountain Railway (the one that fell off on the opening day), rather confusingly wasn't named after the famous racehorse Ladas, because that belonged to somebody else, but after Laura Alice Duff Asheton-Smith.

 

But, the LNER A3 'Ladas' was named after the horse, which was itself named after Alexander the Great's messenger.

 

(My good lady says that my head is so full of useless stuff that I constantly forget important things. Really?!)

 

Leighton Buzzard LR was another n.g. line that like racehorse names.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 9, 2021 by Nearholmer

[Paul H Vigor]

31 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

All begs the question as to how they came about the names of their horse, though.

 

IIRC, the locomotive LADAS of the Snowdon Mountain Railway (the one that fell off on the opening day), rather confusingly wasn't named after the famous racehorse Ladas, because that belonged to somebody else, but after Laura Alice Duff Asheton-Smith.

 

But, the LNER A3 'Ladas' was named after the horse, which was itself named after Alexander the Great's messenger.

 

(My good lady says that my head is so full of useless stuff that I constantly forget important things. Really?!)

 

Leighton Buzzard LR was another n.g. line that like racehorse names.

 

 

 

 

I just misread LADAS as LARDASS!

[Nearholmer]

Its only pronounced like that by very posh people, and even they were careful when the lady in question was within earshot.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2021 by Nearholmer

[Quarryscapes]

On 09/02/2021 at 14:34, RateTheFreight said:

Afternoon all,

 

Does anyone know the origins of the Quarry Hunslet name ‘Cackler’? It strikes me as an unusual name and presume it had some meaning behind it.

 

On a wider note there seems to be some other interesting names given to the various variations that made up the group of locos particularly ‘King of the Scarlets’, ‘Holy War’, ‘Nesta’ , ‘Rough Pup’ etc. Again any information anyone has on general origins for the names of the Quarry Hunslets would be of interest.

 

G 

 

Nesta is not in the same group, She's a Penrhyn engine. Nesta is a plain girl's name. The others were named after Racehorses, the origins of which are in Delving in Dinorwig by D.C. Carrington. 

[Quarryscapes]

Many of the names can be found here .... https://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/Hackler.html