bigboyboris Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I've read that these wagons continued to be used into the 1950s in some collieries, but I'm curious what for? I imagine they don't really have the right geometry for unloading with a tippler, so it seems like combined with the small capacity it would have been awkward to transport much coal with them. Did anyone know if there were particular duties they were assigned to? Would they work mixed in with other opens or on their own rake? Or were they the sort of thing kept around just in case but very rarely used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) The use of Chaldon Wagons was later than the 1950s. probably until the 1970s or beyond. I had an image from the web of a 47 working an up-direction freight train through Doncaster Station , the image lost by a hard drive crash,and cannot relocate , ( does anyone have a copy)? The image would be from around 1970 and In the formation is an ex-works metal-bodied Chaldron wagon with the typical inside axleboxes, the wheels in full view, the nearest wagon works to Domncaster would be Charles Roberts of Wakefield and it is an assumption it is a the repaired or overhauled wagon in transit back to the owner. Did Roberts make such wagons for UK or export in the modern era? Edited April 30, 2022 by Pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) I'm not convinced that @Pandora and @bigboyboris are talking about the same thing here. Try here: Edited April 30, 2022 by Compound2632 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted April 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2022 Not colliery use, but the use of chaldron wagons like this (TrainsandTravel Flickr image): at Seaham Harbour is discussed here: http://beamishtransportonline.co.uk/2020/04/a-selection-of-new-seaham-harbour-images/ Simon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, 65179 said: Not colliery use, but the use of chaldron wagons like this (TrainsandTravel Flickr image): at Seaham Harbour is discussed here: http://beamishtransportonline.co.uk/2020/04/a-selection-of-new-seaham-harbour-images/ Simon The wagon I refer to in the 1970s Doncaster image was a modern version of the Beamish wagon, the modern wagon had the same style, inside axles boxes and the distinctive shape and the body in metal. The wagon was in fresh black paint, no owners marking, so possibly owners are Steel Works or the NCB. I wish I could find and post the image for everyone to see. Edited April 30, 2022 by Pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pandora said: The use of Chaldon Wagons was later than the 1950s. probably until the 1970s or beyond. I had an image from the web of a 47 working an up-direction freight train through Doncaster Station , the image lost by a hard drive crash,and cannot relocate , ( does anyone have a copy)? The image would be from around 1970 and In the formation is an ex-works metal-bodied Chaldron wagon with the typical inside axleboxes, the wheels in full view, the nearest wagon works to Domncaster would be Charles Roberts of Wakefield and it is an assumption it is a the repaired or overhauled wagon in transit back to the owner. Did Roberts make such wagons for UK or export in the modern era? Could this be what was in the photo to which you refer, passing Doncaster ? . A common site at pits in the Yorkshire coalfield. . Edited April 30, 2022 by br2975 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, br2975 said: Could this be what was in the photo to which you refer, passing Doncaster ? . A common site at pits in the Yorkshire coalfield. . But that's a side-tipping wagon, not a chaldron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: But that's a side-tipping wagon, not a chaldron. I think I know that,.................... and have seen these moved on BR metals - but a chaldron (wooden or metal) running on the national network in the 70s I have yet to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_Burman Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Not a colliery, but Seaham Harbour used chauldrons to retried spilled coal from under the staithes. They lasted until the staithes closed. Cheers NB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Compound2632 said: But that's a side-tipping wagon, not a chaldron. I think I am after all confusing a chaldon wagon with the side-tipping wagon, apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted April 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2022 A chaldron wagon can't form part of a train of conventional wagons as it has lower closer dumb buffers if you can call them that as they are just the frame ends 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Pandora said: I think I am after all confusing a chaldon wagon with the side-tipping wagon, apologies! Now a much rarer beast. I doubt that there are five left in existence, and that includes the lwb version from the Sheffield sewage works. Last one I saw was at Beamish about three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Middleton have a side tipper. (return empty to Tinsley) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Ray M said: Middleton have a side tipper. (return empty to Tinsley) That is one of the Sheffield lwb type that were approved for regular transit on BR main line. Elsewhere some of the swb made limited use of BR branch lines under local agreement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 1, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, doilum said: That is one of the Sheffield lwb type that were approved for regular transit on BR main line. Elsewhere some of the swb made limited use of BR branch lines under local agreement. What did they carry on BR ? When I used to pass those works they seemed to be filled with some pretty horrible stuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 1, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 1, 2022 15 hours ago, russ p said: A chaldron wagon can't form part of a train of conventional wagons as it has lower closer dumb buffers if you can call them that as they are just the frame ends Unless, of course, the conventional wagons (and brake vans and locomotives) also have additional dumb buffers (usually extensions of the end pillars, suitably braced), as was common in the the North East and also in West Cumberland, in the 19th century. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Here's a nice article by Accurascale on the history and their chaldron wagons: Quote New Announcement - Chaldrons; The Wagons That Fuelled The Industrial Revolution! https://accurascale.co.uk/blogs/news/chaldrons-the-wagons-that-fuelled-the-industrial-revolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doilum Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, russ p said: What did they carry on BR ? When I used to pass those works they seemed to be filled with some pretty horrible stuss Solid sewage residue I believe. Not quite sure of the local geography but they were permitted to run from the treatment works to a disposal site over the main line. The NCB at Wheldale colliery used the stump of the BR Garforth branch to cross over to tipping grounds on the north side of the river Aire. Edited May 1, 2022 by doilum Predictive text error 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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