Powering Lincoln Locos bodies

[natterjack]

Back to that GG-1 conversion, am I right in thinking the Tillig drive train is motor to worm and then straight cut gear sequence  to the wheels?

 

It looks quite different to my examples of BTTB  CoCo (sort of Z arrangement of UJ layshafts, to a worm driveshaft over axles) and Zeuke  BoBo ( sort of T arrangement of straight cut gears to worm driveshaft over axles).

Edited February 5, 2023 by natterjack
spelling correction

[TT-Pete]

9 hours ago, natterjack said:

Mea Culpa

 

Sehr interessant, vielen dank.

 

[TT-Pete]

@natterjack Without wanting to further dismantle it without good cause (having taken things apart and broken them in the process in the past) I'd have to say that yes, it appears that there is a "tower" casing with a worm driven from the motor at the top, some kind of internal reduction gearing, then transfering back to a worm to drive the axles. A quantum leap forward from the old BTTB and Zeuke; quiet and smooth running.

[rekoboy]

It is the bogie drive-train system that Tillig first employed in the so-called Taigatrommel, the Lugansk-built Reichsbahn V200, or BR 120.

[natterjack]

5 hours ago, rekoboy said:

It is the bogie drive-train system that Tillig first employed in the so-called Taigatrommel, the Lugansk-built Reichsbahn V200, or BR 120.

Now I know what I'm looking for- thanks to all for the clarifications.

[luke_stevens]

After a bit of a distracted pause (H0 MAV M62 & BDZ 06)...

 

Internals ae now pretty much finished

 

1) Right hand side. The decoder and Next18 socket are up-side down as it allowed some of the components to hang over the cardan shaft next to the fly wheel

 

2) 5x tantalum caps 220uf and a Youchoos Lifelink 

https://www.youchoos.co.uk/Index-Shop.php?FIND=LifeLink

)

 

3) From the left. Not obvious is that i have gently sanded the inside of the body shell so that the body sits level. The PCB strips fit up-to but not into the roof area.

 

4) Unfinished! The speaker is built into the fuel area. It's not a s big as it looks and is currently just tacked in place. Once I've made some more bits for the fuel tank I will refit and acoustically isolate. The tank is made from 1.5mm plasticard with the white parts being corner braces  

[natterjack]

As an update on my venture into things GG-1, I've been able to order Tillig NoHAB bogie and drive tower parts via Golden Valley Models of Sandown (excellent sale communications).

 

My only other available option would have been a Czech model shop as Tillig do not appear to support direct private sales to the UK (come on Rishi and get this sorted while you're at it!).

 

On the subject of conversions I'm also looking for Co-Co bogies with 14.5 mm between centres although a 29 mm Bo-Bo might be easier as the loco in question is A-1-A. Any suggestions with regard to any up to date running gear- apart from the possible  re- wheeling of a Farish Warship/Class 47? If I can get this sorted I may be able to offer a (accurate) kit of parts for the 18000 gas turbine by next year.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2023 by natterjack
corrected dimensions

[TT-Pete]

My very first item of Hornby TT arrived in the post this morning...

 

 

... meaning that I'll have to get my skates on and get the Hymek finished.

 

Stay tuned. :^)

 

 

[Hobby]

Mind should have arrived but they couldn't find my address, despite delivering here before! Collecting it at a drop off point tomorrow.

[TT-Pete]

So the Toad gave me the impetus to work out the coupling arrangement (robbed from a Roco TT wagon and stuck on to the bogie retaining plate with araldite) and finish off the loco with matt varnish and glue n' glaze windows:

 

 

Is the loco body sitting a bit too high? Perhaps the BTTB wheel diameter is a bit too big? Is the Lincoln Loco print a bit overscale?

 

 

Whatever, I've got my first running TT 1:120 train and it clatters along quite nicely.

 

 

Now I just need Hornby to get around to providing a few more locos and rolling stock bits...

 

[bradfordbuffer]

3 hours ago, TT-Pete said:

So the Toad gave me the impetus to work out the coupling arrangement (robbed from a Roco TT wagon and stuck on to the bogie retaining plate with araldite) and finish off the loco with matt varnish and glue n' glaze windows:

 

 

Is the loco body sitting a bit too high? Perhaps the BTTB wheel diameter is a bit too big? Is the Lincoln Loco print a bit overscale?

 

 

Whatever, I've got my first running TT 1:120 train and it clatters along quite nicely.

 

 

Now I just need Hornby to get around to providing a few more locos and rolling stock bits...

 

Weekend single line working for engernering possession?....or taking tt120 to its European roots? Or just propelling?

 

Nice loco by the way...

[Hobby]

@TT-Pete you've probably said, but to save me searching, what did you use for the glazing?

[Keith Addenbrooke]

13 hours ago, TT-Pete said:

So the Toad gave me the impetus to work out the coupling arrangement (robbed from a Roco TT wagon and stuck on to the bogie retaining plate with araldite) and finish off the loco with matt varnish and glue n' glaze windows:

 

 

Is the loco body sitting a bit too high? Perhaps the BTTB wheel diameter is a bit too big? Is the Lincoln Loco print a bit overscale?

 

 

Whatever, I've got my first running TT 1:120 train and it clatters along quite nicely.

 

 

Now I just need Hornby to get around to providing a few more locos and rolling stock bits...

 

Excellent - lovely to see the finished loco running in its natural environment.  Very well finished.

 

In response to your questions about the height, my personal suspicion is that the BTTB wheels (and rims) and a bit too large for the Hymek when judged by the standards we expect today, resulting in the body riding a bit higher and the question about scale arising (to me at least the Lincoln body looks fine).  Allowing for the age and technology of the BTTB chassis however gives the model a bit of a retro look - compatible with the age of the Class 35.

 

In the scenic shot, I see the train first, and it looks great.  Well done, Keith.

 

 

[Keith Addenbrooke]

1 minute ago, Hobby said:

@TT-Pete you've probably said, but to save me searching, what did you use for the glazing?

Hi Hobby, Pete mentions using “Glue ‘n’ Glaze” which you can see in the close up photos, Keith.

[TT-Pete]

2 hours ago, Keith Addenbrooke said:

Hi Hobby, Pete mentions using “Glue ‘n’ Glaze” which you can see in the close up photos, Keith.

 

Yeah, and despite my best efforts I managed to get a couple of air bubbles, grrr. Like a lot of my modelling it looks ok from a distance. :^)

[TT-Pete]

12 hours ago, bradfordbuffer said:

Weekend single line working for engernering possession?....or taking tt120 to its European roots? Or just propelling?

 

My European split personality is obviously showing...

 

[Hobby]

17 minutes ago, TT-Pete said:

Yeah, and despite my best efforts I managed to get a couple of air bubbles, grrr. Like a lot of my modelling it looks ok from a distance. :^)

 

Thanks, I must give it another try, my previous attempts were abject failures. I have a Russian AM1 railcar and Hungarian Mk49 in H0e where the front windows really should be flush glazed...

[TT-Pete]

3 hours ago, Hobby said:

@TT-Pete you've probably said, but to save me searching, what did you use for the glazing?

 

I apply from the back and use a toothpick to tease it into the corners and right up to the edges from the front.

Edited April 3, 2023 by TT-Pete

[natterjack]

22 hours ago, TT-Pete said:

Is the loco body sitting a bit too high? Perhaps the BTTB wheel diameter is a bit too big? Is the Lincoln Loco print a bit overscale?

Bravo on a fully fledged home build! Just in time for Spring.

 

I think we are going to be on a learning curve with wheel diameters and bogie depths for UK outline with some compromise needed for flange clearances; however I do feel the commercially adopted flange sizes could be safely reduced by a tad or two,  and I'll be most interested to see how Hornby tackle this with their  bogie diesels.

[Hobby]

I know with the steam locos by BTTB you could swap the larger and smaller wheels over, that might be a way with the diesels as well.

[TT-Pete]

@Hobby I was playing with the idea of trying to replace the wheelsets with the smaller diameter ones found on the BR221 or BR118, but as it was nearly finished and  I'd already managed to break the chassis once through ill-advised fiddling, thought I'd better leave that for the next one.

 

[natterjack]

46 minutes ago, TT-Pete said:

replace the wheelsets with the smaller diameter

FWIW I found I needed a puller to swap wheels on knurled Tillig axles while some old BTTB were easily removed with a small drift ( and some with a mere twist). The Tillig wheels were on damned tight (no easy gauge adjustment there).

[luke_stevens]

On 02/04/2023 at 18:57, TT-Pete said:

 

Now I just need Hornby to get around to providing a few more locos and rolling stock bits...

 

 

Thanks for the encouragement to return to my 33 :)  I got distracted, initially by a Bulgarian 06 and then a TT120 Siphon G, both of which are now almost finished...

 

Luke

[maridunian]

On 02/04/2023 at 18:57, TT-Pete said:

 

 

Is the loco body sitting a bit too high? Perhaps the BTTB wheel diameter is a bit too big? Is the Lincoln Loco print a bit overscale?

 

Looks pretty good to me! 

 

Photo copyright Jason Rodhouse jason87030@flickr.com

             

Hymek overall height 12' 10.6"

Toad E roof height 11' 9"

 

Mike 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by maridunian

[britishcolumbian]

Looks pretty bang on to my eye, too. Great work, Luke!