W1 and P2 liveries

[MRE2]

I am interested in some variations of the W1 and P2 locos.

 

The W1 in its rebuilt (A4 streamlined style) form was painted in Wartime Black and also BR Express Blue according to the LNER Encyclopedia : "After rebuilding, No. 10000 was painted in the standard A4 garter blue livery. The wartime black 'NE' livery was applied in April 1942, but reverted back to garter blue in December 1946. British Railways applied a white lined darker blue livery in January 1951, and the standard BR green with orange and black lining livery in May 1952."

 

The P2s (also in A4 streamlined style) were also painted in Wartime Black also according to the LNER Encyclopedia : "The P2s were repainted black with no lining beginning with 2006 at a Doncaster General in November 1941. The others followed at General overhauls at Doncaster. LNER was shortened to NE only from July 1942."

 

I would like to model these variations but cannot find any pictures of either locos in Wartime Black, or the W1 in Express Blue. Any help with finding some research pictures please ?

[micklner]

From Yeadon Volume 2

 

W1

December 1946 painted Garter Blue with LNER stainless steel cut out letters and numbers till 04/1948, then renumbered 60700 British Railways on Tender it says retaining Garter Blue.

May 1952 BR Green with orange/black/orange lining . Nothing mentioned re Express Blue at anytime.

 

Yeadon has two wartime photos painted Black . Both photos without side valancing to Loco both poor photos.

March 1946 photo looks like 10000 and NE on Tender in Yellow Shaded transfers.

Second photo May1946 Tender has LNER in transfers on tender , Loco no change to numbers.

 

The P2 livery is normal for all wartime LNER Locos , they all changed at various dates to Black with Yellow lettering and numbers some shaded , some plain. Some Tenders with LNER in full, some in NE.

[slilley]

Also in LNER black the P2s had the casing ahead of the outside cyliners removed. No 2001 had this in September 1942, there is a picture of it in the Yeadon's.

[MRE2]

To micklner,

I am not familiar with Yeadon, but will look it up.
In the meantime I have found these snaps of the W1 in both Wratime Black and BR Express Blue, proving that the LNER Encyclopedia is correct - see the captioned pictures that show BR Blue with the white/black/white lining (I assume, although just white is mentioned by the Encyclopedia) and early BR crest.

[Ken.W]

Interestingly, what seems both the same photos of the W1 appear in the RCTS Locos of LNER 6C.

According to this publication for the W1;

On rebuilding, painted Garter Blue  red wheels, with gold shaded red transfers, the standard A4 livery at that time.

Repainted wartime black April 42, tender legend reduced to "NE", its believed, Sept 43

Reverted to prewar Garter Blue Dec 46,  but never received the metal cut out letters and numbers then used on the A4s.

June 48 renumbered 60700 and tender legend "BRITISH RAILWAYS", but still retaining Garter Blue.

BR Blue was applied Jan 51, with the early style emblem.

Finally, BR green from May 52, and the later style crest from May 57.

 

The other major change, in May 48 its original corridor tender was exchanged for an A4 type non-corridor one.

 

 

 

[micklner]

Yeadon has a photo of the post war W1 with cut out letters and numbers.

[Guest Simon A.C. Martin]

Rule of thumb; photographic evidence trumps everything, primary sources where photographs don't exist trump everything below that, secondary sources backed up by citations from primary sources and photographs are better than secondary sources without.

 

The W1 had these liveries, for definite:

• Garter blue, with gold/red shaded numbers/lettering as 10000, original corridor tender fitted
• Wartime black, 10000, with full LNER on tender and 10000 in yellow/red shaded numbers/lettering
• Garter blue, cut outs to valances, with stainless steel numbers/lettering as LNER 10000
• Garter blue, cut outs to valances, as 60700 with off white numbers/lettering saying British Railways. Tender swapped for an A4 streamlined non corridor in 1948
• Express passenger blue with cycling lion totem, as per the A4 Pacifics
• BR Dark green, cycling lion totem
• BR Dark green, ferret and dartboard totem

As I understand it, these are all of the livery variations it appeared in. 

[MRE2]

Thanks even more guys. I think that just about clears up the W1 identities. I am now waiting to see if Hornby expand on their W1 before I start any conversions........

 

Thankfully the P2 query seems a lot simpler - with A4 styling they only had LNER Apple Green and Wartime Black. Unless anyone knows differently..........

[micklner]

Post war W1 conversion of a Hornby A4.