Moving sound slots: Loksound V5

[philsandy]

I need to move a few sounds to different F keys.  Read through the manual a few times but can not understand how to do this. 

I have done this a few times before with a V4, but the V5 seems to be a different set up. 

In the V4 manual the function mapping shows 24 sound slots, with 8 in each of  O , P , Q  and the values required for the control CV. The V5 manual does not have this.

Please can anyone explain how to move, eg. sound slot 16 from F14 to work off F4?  Thanks in advance. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by philsandy

[philsandy]

 

Checked the values of four different CV's to see if I was interpretating the instructions re. sound slots/function buttons correctly (which I'm obviously not).

eg.  F4 (whistle) is in sound slot 11.

Sound slot 11 is in control CV R with a value of 4  (page 82)

F4 is on mapping row 10, so I set CV32 to 8 and read cv408  (page 76)

but the value of cv408 reads 32, not 4?

 

 

[Nigelcliffe]

The manual shows the "from factory" settings in a decoder.   The sound project creator can change those to do what they require for their sound project.  

 

In the absence of information from the sound project creator,  the only way to be sure you have the "right row" is to read in everything, and look for which row(s) is(are) controlled by which function key.    That's a lot of reading of CVs if done manually, so a job for either computer interface from DCC system to JMRI, or a LokProgrammer and ESU's software.     Once you've found the rows, you can just change the function key controlling that row.  

 

 

- Nigel

Edited November 25, 2023 by Nigelcliffe

[philsandy]

1 hour ago, Nigelcliffe said:

The manual shows the "from factory" settings in a decoder.   The sound project creator can change those to do what they require for their sound project.  

 

In the absence of information from the sound project creator,  the only way to be sure you have the "right row" is to read in everything, and look for which row(s) is(are) controlled by which function key.    That's a lot of reading of CVs if done manually, so a job for either computer interface from DCC system to JMRI, or a LokProgrammer and ESU's software.     Once you've found the rows, you can just change the function key controlling that row.  

 

 

- Nigel

 

 

Thanks for your reply Nigel,

I am using the sound slots from the project creator, Roads & Rails, (ie. F4 in sound slot 11) and not the default factory settings.

Is the example I describe the correct method to determine the value of the appropriate CV?

[Nigelcliffe]

3 minutes ago, philsandy said:

 

 

Thanks for your reply Nigel,

I am using the sound slots from the project creator, Roads & Rails, (ie. F4 in sound slot 11) and not the default factory settings.

Is the example I describe the correct method to determine the value of the appropriate CV?

 

Have Roads&Rail confirmed which mapping line they are using for F4 controlling sound slot 11?    If not, you've got 72 to choose from.

 

*IF* they are using mapping row 10 for this (without that information, you're guessing), then, the CV-R = 32 you've read means sound slot 14.     

 

Your method written out is fine, but you've got to do it for the other mapping lines until you find sound slot 11 and sound slot 16  (which could be 71 more times).   

And then if it were me, I'd want to check the function keys (Control-B for F4 and Control-E for F14) for the mapping row, to check it is the key I think it is.  

From where you are,  I'd check Control-B for mapping row 10 -  is that F4 ?    If it is, then the information you have from R&R is doesn't make sense.   If its not F4, then move on until you've found the row which applies. 

 

 

For example, R&R may (wild guess!!) be using mapping row 36, because that's where the defaults put sound slot 11.  

 

Which brings me back to "use a computer to read the entire function mapping table".  It will take JMRI an hour (give or take, depends on your DCC system) to read the function map.  

 

 

[philsandy]

34 minutes ago, Nigelcliffe said:

 

Have Roads&Rail confirmed which mapping line they are using for F4 controlling sound slot 11?    If not, you've got 72 to choose from.

 

*IF* they are using mapping row 10 for this (without that information, you're guessing), then, the CV-R = 32 you've read means sound slot 14.     

 

Your method written out is fine, but you've got to do it for the other mapping lines until you find sound slot 11 and sound slot 16  (which could be 71 more times).   

And then if it were me, I'd want to check the function keys (Control-B for F4 and Control-E for F14) for the mapping row, to check it is the key I think it is.  

From where you are,  I'd check Control-B for mapping row 10 -  is that F4 ?    If it is, then the information you have from R&R is doesn't make sense.   If its not F4, then move on until you've found the row which applies. 

 

 

For example, R&R may (wild guess!!) be using mapping row 36, because that's where the defaults put sound slot 11.  

 

Which brings me back to "use a computer to read the entire function mapping table".  It will take JMRI an hour (give or take, depends on your DCC system) to read the function map.  

 

 

 

No, not confirmed the mapping line, just that F4 = sound slot 11, I was just going off the manual, that F4 was on mapping row 10.

I checked Control B for mapping row 10  cv402 and it reads 000, so not F4?

I will investigate further tomorrow.

It's obviously not as straight forward as the V4.

[Nigelcliffe]

11 hours ago, philsandy said:

 

No, not confirmed the mapping line, just that F4 = sound slot 11, I was just going off the manual, that F4 was on mapping row 10.

I checked Control B for mapping row 10  cv402 and it reads 000, so not F4?

I will investigate further tomorrow.

It's obviously not as straight forward as the V4.

 

You've now showing that Row 10 isn't controlled by F4.  There are other Control inputs (A, B, C, D...), so its possible that Row 10 is used for something else (and likely given that its got a sound slot in it).  

 

 

The V5 is basically the same as the V4.  Just got 72 lines with more stuff on each row, rather than 40 rows.      In the V4 sound producers could move things if they wished.  

 

 

In addition to my guess of row 36 for Sound Slot 11 (above, from the V5 manual),   it is also possible is that a sound producer has taken their V4 arrangements and used them without a lot of changes on a V5.  So, starting from the V4 "ESU factory defaults" may get you to an answer quicker as to which row.   But that's another guess.     
 

 

Without a computer interface,  its a lot of reading of dozens (hundreds?) of CVs to track down which rows when you don't have a definitive CV list (at least for the function map rows) from R&R.   

 

- Nigel

 

[philsandy]

5 hours ago, Nigelcliffe said:

 

You've now showing that Row 10 isn't controlled by F4.  There are other Control inputs (A, B, C, D...), so its possible that Row 10 is used for something else (and likely given that its got a sound slot in it).  

 

 

The V5 is basically the same as the V4.  Just got 72 lines with more stuff on each row, rather than 40 rows.      In the V4 sound producers could move things if they wished.  

 

 

In addition to my guess of row 36 for Sound Slot 11 (above, from the V5 manual),   it is also possible is that a sound producer has taken their V4 arrangements and used them without a lot of changes on a V5.  So, starting from the V4 "ESU factory defaults" may get you to an answer quicker as to which row.   But that's another guess.     
 

 

Without a computer interface,  its a lot of reading of dozens (hundreds?) of CVs to track down which rows when you don't have a definitive CV list (at least for the function map rows) from R&R.   

 

- Nigel

 

 

Nigel,

Managed to sort it out.

Row 10 did have sound slot 14 in it, controlled by F8.

All the sound slots were from row 4 to row 25, with the F keys in sequence with the rows  ie. F2 (row 4), F3 (row 5) an so on, to F23 (row 25).

I just went along each row noting the values of each CV, took me just over an hour,

Thank you for your help.

 

Phil.

[Nigelcliffe]

2 hours ago, philsandy said:

 

Nigel,

Managed to sort it out.

.....

 

Good to hear you got there in the end.     Side-benefit is you know more about ESU decoder's CV structure !

 

- Nigel