1965Nick Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Hi, I’m building a 2mm scale BR mark 1 diagram 24 restaurant car. I need a bit of help on the layout of the underframe. Where were the 2 water tanks positioned? Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted January 30 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30 I might be wrong, but aren't the water tanks in the roof? The filler pipes go up that way, and then gravity feed to the kitchen.... Underneath you have battery and electrical boxes, gas cylinder storage, dynamo, and brake gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 31 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31 Certain coaches had roof tanks but others had them mounted underfloor. Parkin Mk1 book covers this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 31 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, keefer said: Certain coaches had roof tanks but others had them mounted underfloor. Parkin Mk1 book covers this. Yes vehicles built for the WR had roof mounted tanks. The long roof top filler pipes are the tell tale …. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 31 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31 (edited) 5 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: Yes vehicles built for the WR had roof mounted tanks. The long roof top filler pipes are the tell tale …. I think it was some dia.23 RU (and later conversions from these) that had them, unfortunately Parkin doesn't state which. As far as I can tell all RB had underframe tanks. To answer @1965Nick original question, there were two 100gal cylindrical tanks, one either side of the central trussing. I thought they might be under the kitchen/pantry section but maybe they were mounted midway for even weight distribution. It may be hard to tell the exact positions as they may be hidden by the other underframe eqpt i.e. gas bottle boxes, electrical cases etc. (Although I must admit I haven't looked very closely for them in pics!) Edited January 31 by keefer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Burnham Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Did the underfloor water tanks use pumps or were they under pressure? I have memories of washing up in the kitchen of Pullman car "Barbara" in the early days of the K&ESR Wealden Pullman and we had a caravan type hand operated water pump to get water up from the underfloor water tanks which had been pressurised in the car's main line service but we're so no longer. And water heated in kettles - things are much different these days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 31 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31 (edited) From Parkin (p.134): "Most batches [of the 1957-63 Production series] carried water in 100 gallon cylindrical tinned-copper tanks suspended from the underframe. These were of course well-lagged and could be electrically heated to prevent frost. Three tanks were used for the kitchen buffet [RKB] but two sufficed for the other vehicles. Water was lifted by compressed air supplied at 10psi by an electrcally driven ¼ hp air pump. In case of pump failure, an emergency foot pump was available usually tucked away against a partition. Underfloor water storage had long been advocated for easier maintenance and better vehicle stability but lifting mechanisms were unreliable - even these units have given trouble as the stock has aged." Edited January 31 by keefer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965Nick Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Thank you all for the replies. I think I know where the water tanks go; in the centre of the trussing as there is no space elsewhere with the refrigeration equipment, battery boxes and various control boxes. I don’t suppose it really matters but I’ll know. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyChris Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Nick, Some pictures I took over 10 years ago of the RB at GWSR Toddington. I was modelling such a buffet car but in 7mm and I needed to get more detail so took some photos of the one waiting to be refurbished. I know caution needs to be exercised with stock in preservation as they do not always reflect when they were in BR days, but some significant items don’t change. I hope these photos are of use, I have provided some other wider shots so I hope you can get the context of where the tanks are positioned. I actually used one tank as the 2 tanks are close together. Good luck with your model. Regards Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965Nick Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 Hi Chris, these photos are perfect and answer my questions. Thank you so much for sharing them. 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyChris Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 No problems Nick, I have some more close up photos of 1675 if you are interested. Also some of 1672 of the other side. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965Nick Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 Hi Chris, I’d be interested to see those photographs too please. Thanks, Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyChris Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hi Nick, Firstly 5 shots in order on the kitchen side of 1675 showing from the vac cylinder, the various lockers, electrical distribution and the dynamo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyChris Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 And from the corridor side of 1672 Regards Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrankyChris Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Nick, I also found that I did indeed fit 2 tanks to my model. This was on a converted Lima O gauge model but I did also construct an EasyBuild diag 24 far more accurate than the compromises with the poor Lima models, and I plan on building other diags, I find the catering cars and their history fascinating. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965Nick Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 Thanks Chris, this has helped enormously! Your generous help us greatly appreciated 😊 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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