stadman Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Anyone have any side on views of bogie ballast hoppers, in particular the bogies themselves? Thanks. Kev S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted February 20 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20 (edited) If you know the particular type of wagon you are looking for you could try searching Paul Bartlett’s excellent site. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsealion Edit: Sorry - just realised that this was posted in London Underground section and so you are probably referring to a very specific wagon. Edited February 20 by BoD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 18 hours ago, BoD said: If you know the particular type of wagon you are looking for you could try searching Paul Bartlett’s excellent site. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsealion Edit: Sorry - just realised that this was posted in London Underground section and so you are probably referring to a very specific wagon. He only has 3 LT photos, all at derby. thanks for the response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted February 21 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21 Are you asking about the 1981-built hoppers (201-222) or the later Turbots (231-290)? I can't find much at all about the bogie hoppers, apart from their inclusion in stock lists. I can't find any photographs in my not very extensive collection, nor have I found any online. They seem to be very elusive beasts. However, I have found a couple of mentions in the October 1981 Underground News. This paragraph is of relevance: Quote It has been observed that the new 30~ton hopper wagons (built by W.H.Davis, Langwith Junction, Shirebrook, near Mansfield, Notts.) although in yellow livery, have black LT fleetnames. The wagon number is on the black underframe and comprise white stickers. The wagons have standard trucks supplied by Gloucester, have buck-eye coupling and retractable buffers. The "standard trucks supplied by Gloucester" are presumably those used for flat wagons F341-F391 Other mentions in the same edition of Underground News report that HW201 was delivered to Ruislip on 21st July and was taken out on test in July and August between Ruislip and Northfields, and that HW205, HW206 and HW207 were delivered to Ruislip on 3rd August. Several 4-wheel hoppers are noted as being scrapped or ready to be scrapped, and it seems the 22 bogie hoppers were intended to replace the 38 4-wheelers. All I can imagine is that they were found inadequate, hence the order for 60 Turbots just a couple of years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Likewise, I can find photos of the 4-wheel hoppers, the bogie low-sided opens, and the turbots, but not the bogie hoppers. Some of the 4-wheel hopper photos are 1983ish suggesting that they weren't all scrapped immediately. But it seems that most were sold to preserved lines in the mid-80s and many still exist. Possibly an answer to be found here? https://districtdavesforum.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Oh, hold on, last book I looked in has something… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I seem to recall the 1980's built bogie HW wagons had the unusual Gloucester bogies that are a bit like a Gloucester mkII but with resilient blocks to the bolster rather than coil springs- a bit like the bogies on this GP wagon. I might have a square on photo of one fitted to a GP or RW, but not an HW - what do you need it for? Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hamblin Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Pretty sure the Hopper Wagons have got a beefed up version of the Gloucester bogie, which matches that on the High Deck Wagons. I'll have a look at our data sheets and see if I've got a photo of them. Regards, Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 Replying to all, it's the HW2XX series hoppers from the 80's I'm interested in. Have basic drawing of them (Barrowmore group) but the bogie drawing is lacking. Whilst similar to many Gloucester bogies the upper part is level so I'm not sure there is a BR equivalent that could be used + they are quite a long wheel base (1753mm). Thanks. Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 The bogie is unique to the LT wagons, you could probably file the top plank and bolster spring from a Gambrian Gloucester Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hamblin Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Hopper Wagon 219 at Ruislip Depot. Height to top of secondary suspension bolster is 800mm (nominal tare) and the wheel diameter is 952mm. Regards, Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Sharma Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Would this help? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hamblin Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 A better view up at Ruislip today. Regards, Dan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 42 minutes ago, Dan Hamblin said: A better view up at Ruislip today. Regards, Dan Is that on one of the Chinese imports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Mark Saunders said: Is that on one of the Chinese imports? Naah, they would have mis-spelt ‘Gloucester’ on the casting pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: Naah, they would have mis-spelt ‘Gloucester’ on the casting pattern. Small screens and no reading glasses don’t help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hamblin Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 The Chinese imports are cancelled, this is one of the original hopper wagons that has been overhauled and given a new livery similar to the cancelled wagons. Regards, Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 Thanks for the photo Dan, just what I was after. Thinking of converting a Cambrian Whale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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