Private Owner wagon numbering

[Brassey]

I have a number of Slater's pre-lettered North's Navigation wagons to build and wondered if someone with the appropriate volumes of Turton could kindly look up and confirm the running number ranges for me.  According to the index, the volumes and pages are KT6/115 KT7/157* KT12/3 none of which I have.

 

Cheers

 

Peter

[Penrhos1920]

KT12/3 is a copy of a postcard of the colliery.   Although wagons are visible no numbers are visible.

[Penrhos1920]

KT7/157  there’s no photographs. It is about the 20 ton wagons hired from the GWR. 

 

KT6/115

 

Gloucester wagons all red, white letters with black shading

184 Bridgend 6 planks 

1647, 1931, 2197 Bridgend 7 planks

1055, 1145 Cardiff 7 planks.    all of these are from orders where the other numbers weren’t recorded. 

 

In 1922 numbers 3300 to 3399 bought from Cambrian wagon works.   Numbers 3000 to 3599 also came from Cambrian in 1924. 

 

 

 

[Invicta]

49 minutes ago, Penrhos1920 said:

KT12/3 is a copy of a postcard of the colliery.   Although wagons are visible no numbers are visible.

 

KT7/157* is just a historical note, with no picture or wagon numbers mentioned. The main reference for North's Navigation is KT6/115, and has a number of pics- the wagon numbers shown are:

 

184 (6-plank dated March 1891)

1647 (7-plank, dated Feb 1894)

1931 (7-plank, June 1896)

2197 (7-plank, Nov 1897)

1055 (7-plank, Dec 1898)

1145 (7-plank, Sept 1899)

3000 (7-plank, Dec 1911)

These are all Gloucester works photos

 

3300 (7-plank RCH 1923 from a Cambrian Wagon Co. advertisement, published 1926- this last one is in a different livery just lettered 'Norths' rather than North's Navigation Collieries and lacking the 'NNC' monogram on the side door)

 

322

527 (both in a photo of North's wagon repair sidings, no date)

121 (photo of the screens at St John's Colliery, no date)

These last three are also in the later, simpler livery- , both photos feature a number of wagons in this livery, but only the numbers quoted are legible

 

262

192

928 - all in a photo of the company's coke ovens at Tondu, and could be in the simplified livery (they're heavily weathered, but the wagon numbers are at the LH end, rather than the RH end of the older livery), but the photo shows a fourth wagon in the old 'NNC' style, with an undecipherable number. All are fitted with coke rails.

 

Edited March 16 by Invicta

[Brassey]

Thanks all for your help. I have the pic of 3000 but none other. Time to get numbering…

[Penrhos1920]

This North’s Navigation  has been modelled with the number in the centre at the top, whereas the photos have it on the bottom right plank.  Also remember that some wagons have Cardiff rather than Bridgend.